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Jon Embree plays race card regarding his firing
Posted on 11/27/12 at 12:54 am
Posted on 11/27/12 at 12:54 am
LINK Brian Kelly getting ND to an undefeated record against an over-rated schedule in his 3rd year put some added pressure on new coaches who don't seem to be making progress.
Don't blame your skin color, or insinuate the AD's are racist. Embree's team was a laughing stock and pitiful to the core. The guy wasn't prepared or ready to lead a program, the results on the field are proof of that, of course wins are finite. There's only so many wins to be had in a season. 90 teams can't go 10-2, Schools and fans can put up with bad seasons if there's improvement and effort being shown, or a run of really bad luck. Embree's teams were just bad and an embarassment, he's embarassing himself by being emotional about getting fired from a job he wasn't very good at and then trying to make the circumstances about more than what they are.
He claims they get bad jobs and aren't given the time to fix it. If it's a bad job, then don't take it dumbass. The career arc for most coaches includes starting out at bad jobs, having moderate success and getting a better job at a program with more resources and advantages. Colorado is not a Utah St. or UAB. They've always had respectable teams, the PAC 12 is weak, if they were still in the Big 12 the Buff's D would have given up 60 a game and not just the 46 per they gave up this season.
Accountability starts with the head coach, and obviously Jon Embree set the tone for failure in Boulder by not holding himself accountable.
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 1:53 am
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Posted on 11/27/12 at 1:36 am to CtotheVrzrbck
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Chip Kelly getting ND to an undefeated record
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Posted on 11/27/12 at 1:53 am to InVolNerable
Whoopsie. got my dbags mixed up. *edited
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:02 am to CtotheVrzrbck
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Embree's team was a laughing stock and pitiful to the core. The guy wasn't prepared or ready to lead a program, the results on the field are proof of that, of course wins are finite.
This is definitely true.
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At the end of the day, you get fired and that's it, right, wrong or indifferent. Tyrone Willingham was the only one who got fired and got hired again. We get bad jobs and no time to fix it.
Outside of Willingham I can't think of a black HC who got a D-1 job after being fired and now he's coaching women's golf.
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Accountability starts with the head coach, and obviously Jon Embree set the tone for failure in Boulder by not holding himself accountable.
CU's problems go way past the HC, no matter what race the coach is.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 5:44 am to CtotheVrzrbck
Wow
Posted on 11/27/12 at 6:48 am to CtotheVrzrbck
Unfortunately, this is the path our Country has decided to take. If a minority is criticized it is deemed racism, much less firing a Football Coach.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 6:57 am to Cincinnati Bowtie
its such bullshite
my company had a mass layoff last year around this time and a guy i knew who was black was laid off. he filed a lawsuit and still claims that it was because he was black. he had been with the company 6 years and he was one of 400 employees nationwide that were laid off, majority of them white.
people are ignorant and i hate when they play the race card like that. its what Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have tought them to do to get back at whitey
my company had a mass layoff last year around this time and a guy i knew who was black was laid off. he filed a lawsuit and still claims that it was because he was black. he had been with the company 6 years and he was one of 400 employees nationwide that were laid off, majority of them white.
people are ignorant and i hate when they play the race card like that. its what Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have tought them to do to get back at whitey
Posted on 11/27/12 at 7:17 am to CtotheVrzrbck
How many 4-21 coaches get second chances, or get to keep their current jobs in the first place? Hell, that's worse than Chizik's record at Iowa St 
Posted on 11/27/12 at 9:54 am to CtotheVrzrbck
Embree sucked but there's some truth to what he says about black coaches in general although nobody really wants to hear it.
Alot of times, black head coaches are only really hired because they are pressured/manipulated into by outside forces like the BFCA or someone else. White AD and chancellors/presidents and big money white boosters don't really need a black head coach. But black coaches are in need of big jobs so that's where the BFCA and the sports wing of Rainbow/Push comes in.
Blacks are always going to frame it in a right/wrong/fairness,etc deal but it's really that black coaches need the jobs more than the people dishing out the jobs need black coaches.
Alot of times, black head coaches are only really hired because they are pressured/manipulated into by outside forces like the BFCA or someone else. White AD and chancellors/presidents and big money white boosters don't really need a black head coach. But black coaches are in need of big jobs so that's where the BFCA and the sports wing of Rainbow/Push comes in.
Blacks are always going to frame it in a right/wrong/fairness,etc deal but it's really that black coaches need the jobs more than the people dishing out the jobs need black coaches.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:04 am to Rocket
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Embree sucked but there's some truth to what he says about black coaches in general although nobody really wants to hear it.
Embree got the job specifically because he was black.
"We went out and hired the most qualified black coach we could" - Bill McCartney (paraphrased)
Playing the race card now is fricking laughable.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:09 am to jcole4lsu
Correct.
Alot of times blacks have jobs for no other reason than some outside group put pressure on the people in charge to give a black a shot. It's that way in a lot of professions and industries.
Without that pressure, alot of blacks wouldn't have the jobs they have. And I think alot of them know it.
Alot of times blacks have jobs for no other reason than some outside group put pressure on the people in charge to give a black a shot. It's that way in a lot of professions and industries.
Without that pressure, alot of blacks wouldn't have the jobs they have. And I think alot of them know it.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:10 am to Rocket
Black coaches that are competent don't really have an issue keeping their job, or being sought after for new ones.
Tyrone Willingham got another chance after ND because he showed some competency at some point.
4 wins in two years does not show any competency. They literally looked like the worst team in the country this year. Not all of it is his fault, there are some huge administrative hurdles in the way of any coach at Colorado, but a better coach could navigate those hurdles more easily.
Tyrone Willingham got another chance after ND because he showed some competency at some point.
4 wins in two years does not show any competency. They literally looked like the worst team in the country this year. Not all of it is his fault, there are some huge administrative hurdles in the way of any coach at Colorado, but a better coach could navigate those hurdles more easily.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:12 am to Rocket
that kind of stuff had a time and a place. is the "rooney rule" really necessary in the NFL now? of course not. Romeo fricking Crennel got a second shot at being a head coach for fricks sake.
for all the racism talk that was thrown about when AU hired chizik - turns out both candidates were incompetent. otherwise we just have wild speculation in regards to folks like taggart and strong as to why they havent received a HC gig in the SEC. but its nothing more than that - speculation.
for all the racism talk that was thrown about when AU hired chizik - turns out both candidates were incompetent. otherwise we just have wild speculation in regards to folks like taggart and strong as to why they havent received a HC gig in the SEC. but its nothing more than that - speculation.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:14 am to Rocket
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Without that pressure, alot of blacks wouldn't have the jobs they have. And I think alot of them know it.
It seems like the ones that were hired without that pressure have done a better job, probably because they were hired simply for being the best candidate for the job. (Except maybe in Joker Phillips case, he wasn't hired because he was black) David Shaw and Willie Taggart are doing fine. Both are alums of the school they are coaching, and that probably had a lot more to do with the hiring decision than their skin color.
ETA: A&M set out to hire the best available coach they could, and he happened to be black. Louisville wanted a coach with recruiting ties to Florida, not a black coach with recruiting ties to Florida. When race wasn't made a factor, those guys still rose to the top of the stack.
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Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:17 am to ProjectP2294
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Black coaches that are competent don't really have an issue keeping their job, or being sought after for new ones.
The narrative coming from the BFCA for a few years has been similar to what Embree said...that blacks don't get good jobs and often time aren't getting enough time to fix it.
And there's some truth to it. But the advancement of black coaches isn't a big priority to alot of people other than blacks.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:19 am to ProjectP2294
From being a casual observer and reading between the lines, It seems that CU hired Embree to please some boosters/alumni and boost public perception while waiting to get the 25 million per year from joining the PAC-12. Now that they have the 25 million, they can afford to hire a decent coach to turn things around.
Based on the press conference, I think everyone at CU knew this was the plan accept Embree and he is genuinely hurt to realize he was used this way by his alma mater.
I think his race was why he was ultimately hired but the long-term plan was to fire whoever the coach was for a higher end prospect
Based on the press conference, I think everyone at CU knew this was the plan accept Embree and he is genuinely hurt to realize he was used this way by his alma mater.
I think his race was why he was ultimately hired but the long-term plan was to fire whoever the coach was for a higher end prospect
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:19 am to Rocket
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But the advancement of black coaches isn't a big priority to alot of people other than blacks.
thats because admins are worried about getting the best possible coach, not advancing a race with on the job training.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:21 am to Rocket
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The narrative coming from the BFCA for a few years has been similar to what Embree said...that blacks don't get good jobs and often time aren't getting enough time to fix it.
Just because that's what they keep saying doesn't make it true.
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But the advancement of black coaches isn't a big priority to alot of people other than blacks.
Nobody should care about the advancement of black coaches, or white coaches, or latino, or asian or martian. They should only care about the advancement of competent coaches.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:27 am to jcole4lsu
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the "rooney rule" really necessary in the NFL now? of course not.
That's your opinion.
The opinion of people who are concerned about black coaches getting hired probably disagree with you. They are probably concerned that without the Rule, there will be nothing to really force teams to giving interviews to blacks.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:31 am to Rocket
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there will be nothing to really force teams to giving interviews to blacks.
with the success of people like dungy, tomlin, and lovie smith, what is the need to "force" a team to interview a black coach? blacks have proven they can be competent - even outstanding - coaches, and thats ALL that nfl teams care about.
your argument is asinine.
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