re: If choices came down to these two "Kelly or Herman" who would you want?

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I think this is overstated. He got the athletes he needed to run his system at a high level.

You can identify assistants that can recruit. It's just a matter of paying them. Great football minds aren't as readily available.

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Where is this great football mind while he is in the nfl?
He didnt create the spread. All he did was run it at a fast pace.

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Then why isn't he having success in the nfl?

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He had success in Philly, stop being ridiculous. His problem was getting too much control and getting rid of his best players. Also, the SEC is not the NFL dude

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And lost every game he played against the sec. I dont care what he did in the pac 12. No finesse spread team is going to consistently win or be really successful in the sec. The sec has too much dline talent to run 4 running plays over and over and consistently win the sec. I think kelly would be successful for sure but in no way could he have the amount of success he had at oregon.

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RD I appreciate your comments, I feel the same way, every SEC team he faced figured out how to stop his offense because the SEC defenses are usually predicated on stopping the run. The only thing I keep going back to in my own mind is what Kelly said when he lost to LSU which was "the SEC has a different breed of athlete down there." And I believe he is correct so what could he do with our athletes. On the other hand I don't think his hurry up offense is the best thing to run at LSU and that is what he will do, so I would be a Herman guy regarding this question.

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Also, the SEC is not the NFL dude

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Its the closest thing to the nfl that cfb has.

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He had success in Philly, stop being ridiculous. His problem was getting too much control and getting rid of his best players.

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And thats a problem he thinks his scheme will be successful with without talent. That wont work in the sec.no finesse team will be consistently great in the sec. Im not saying he would suck by any means. He would win a bunch of games.

Its no secret that Kelly has struggled against physical teams. Whats the most physical conference in cfb?

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RD I appreciate your comments, I feel the same way, every SEC team he faced figured out how to stop his offense because the SEC defenses are usually predicated on stopping the run. The only thing I keep going back to in my own mind is what Kelly said when he lost to LSU which was "the SEC has a different breed of athlete down there." And I believe he is correct so what could he do with our athletes. On the other hand I don't think his hurry up offense is the best thing to run at LSU and that is what he will do, so I would be a Herman guy regarding this question.

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Kelly would be successful in the sec. I never said he would suck. I was asked what made his offense finesse. I answered it. BUT i dont think Kelly's offense would have long term success in the sec. Its no secret he struggked with physical teams that could control the clock.

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Could've said the same about Saban and Petrino. Some college coaches don't make good NFL coaches.

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Agreed. You're right about that. I shouldnt have said his nfl stint reflects his cfb future.

Herman. He is the future. His Houston stint compares to Saban at Toledo, Urban at Bowling Green & Utah.

He is young and kids love him. Where as Kelly's NFL saga in Philly despite unfair slander by Shady,etc..has only further correlated with his disdain for recruiting and the peripheral job requirements of an NCAA HC, the guy is ornery like a Saban, yet without Saban and Urban's ability to hit the charm switch when needed.

Herman's college career will surpass Kelly's in due time. Jimbo's,etc..too!

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Kelly will run the same play in 10 different formations. It's all about disguise and not being predictable. I don't care if he only ran 2 running plays. If the defense doesn't know what the frick it is then who cares? And oh, btw, it works! All that matters

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The defense does know its coming. He just played in conference where all of 1 program consistently had top 10 recruiting classes.
5 of the top 7 cfb programs with nfl players is from the sec.
Lsu, bama, uf, georgia,auburn , and a&m all have consistently good recruiting classes (even ole miss recently).
Kelly didnt have to deal with that.

And it didnt work against physical teams.so.....

Look at what Kelly's offense did against 2 SEC teams. Both LSU & AU held that offense down....the Ducks scored late against the 2nd team to make it even appear close & AU shut them down, too. He's trying to run the same offense in the NFL & is on his way to being a complete bust despite having full control of his team's roster. He & the Ducks parted by mutual consent, both were tired of each other.

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Auburn held on vs Oregon due to the size and strength of the OL and DL.

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So the physicality in the trenches?

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And it was Darron Thomas out QBRing Cam despite 2 Ints to 1(both with 2 TD throws), also out yardaged his Completions. It was Aub's ability to run for 5 yards a carry vs Ore's 2 YPC that was the difference.

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Exactly. Kelly's scheme has struggled with physical defenses.