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re: Hypothetical for LSU Fans: You have only 3 choices & you have to decide now...
Posted on 10/17/16 at 4:25 pm to SportTiger1
Posted on 10/17/16 at 4:25 pm to SportTiger1
Oregon got some top guys and he eventually got some serious talent to run his system, they just didn't have close to the depth and top to bottom talent, especially on the lines, that an LSU, tOSU or Bama have.
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Posted on 10/17/16 at 4:30 pm to radicalizedtigah
Orgeron
Posted on 10/17/16 at 4:31 pm to radicalizedtigah
give me O
chip isn't going to win in the sec. Bama would still push our shite in.
B. Kelly is a straight up bitch and about to have a losing season at ND. He crumbles under pressure.
chip isn't going to win in the sec. Bama would still push our shite in.
B. Kelly is a straight up bitch and about to have a losing season at ND. He crumbles under pressure.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 4:33 pm to heartbreakTiger
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give me O
I seriously don't know what is wrong with you people.
This is some weird stuff.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 4:35 pm to Fun Bunch
how has oregon faired vs legit sec teams? Hint its not well. Auburn 10, LSU 11. imagine what bama would do to our qb, they probably end up hurting 2 or 3 of our qbs with their d vs chips system.
Also if the rumors are true that chip hates boosters and recruiting, that isn't going to go over well here.
Im not sure how well chip would do in the sec unless he changes his style up. I do like that its mostly run based but I have a feeling we would be a better version of ole miss.
LSU needs a better offense but not if our D is going to suffer.
The other Kelly is a god damn joke.
Also if the rumors are true that chip hates boosters and recruiting, that isn't going to go over well here.
Im not sure how well chip would do in the sec unless he changes his style up. I do like that its mostly run based but I have a feeling we would be a better version of ole miss.
LSU needs a better offense but not if our D is going to suffer.
The other Kelly is a god damn joke.
This post was edited on 10/17/16 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 10/17/16 at 4:38 pm to heartbreakTiger
chip is the best coach of the 3 but the question is does he fit here. Its useless if he is the best but doesn't fit in the conference. Its like Miles love for the dual threat and putting them in the wrong offense.
Chip is the best coach but is he going to win in the sec? He would have to keep Aranda and slow down his offense. you would have to run a version of the no huddle not letting teams sub but still controlling the clock.
Chip is the best coach but is he going to win in the sec? He would have to keep Aranda and slow down his offense. you would have to run a version of the no huddle not letting teams sub but still controlling the clock.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 4:39 pm to heartbreakTiger
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how has oregon failed vs legit sec teams? Hint its not well. Auburn 10, LSU 11. imagine what bama would do to our qb, they probably end up hurting 2 or 3 of our qbs with their d vs chips system.
How has Orgeron faired vs SEC teams? Hint: Awful.
Oregon with far less talent came down to the last minutes with Auburn. The LSU 11 team was one of the greatest teams in the history of CFB.
You don't fire Les Miles to hire a Defensive Line coach with a shitty HC resume.
Orgeron is a fun guy and a cajun. I get why people like him.
Chip is an absolute genius on the Offensive side of the ball, with an amazing college resume and multiple years of NFL HC experience.
The comparison is laughable.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 4:43 pm to Fun Bunch
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How has Orgeron faired vs SEC teams? Hint: Awful.
For real. How can someone compare Oregon to coach O?
Posted on 10/17/16 at 4:44 pm to heartbreakTiger
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heartbreakTiger
The bad thing is, the coach O bandwagon is full of respectable posters. I thought it was just crazy emotional lurkers.
I has the sad.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 4:46 pm to Fun Bunch
well O was at ole miss and had no clue what he was doing other than recruiting. He clearly learned from that.
its a stupid discussion because chip isn't coming here. its either stay in NFL, USC or back to oregon for him.
Im not saying O is a better coach. I do think he is the best fit of the 3. He understands his role now. Im fine with a ceo coach that allows the highest paid staff to do their job. Yes we have to hit on more positions if you have a ceo coach but if you have one that unlike miles will allow his staff to do work then it will be fine.
Brian Kelly would be a disaster at LSU.
its a stupid discussion because chip isn't coming here. its either stay in NFL, USC or back to oregon for him.
Im not saying O is a better coach. I do think he is the best fit of the 3. He understands his role now. Im fine with a ceo coach that allows the highest paid staff to do their job. Yes we have to hit on more positions if you have a ceo coach but if you have one that unlike miles will allow his staff to do work then it will be fine.
Brian Kelly would be a disaster at LSU.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 4:48 pm to SportTiger1
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The bad thing is, the coach O bandwagon is full of respectable posters. I thought it was just crazy emotional lurkers.
I has the sad.
The bandwagon is big right now because he has done absolutely nothing since taking over that would scare anyone away. It's been the exactly the opposite actually. He's saying and doing everything the right way.
Relax. This will play itself out. I will definitely jump off the bandwagon if we lose 2 games from here on out. If we lose 1, it'll depend how we look and who it is against.
If we win out....I'm 100% all in for Oeaux.
This post was edited on 10/17/16 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 10/17/16 at 4:54 pm to SportTiger1
I was all for backing up the brinks truck to Herman, Jimbo and even Petrino. which all 3 are better fits for LSU than chip. My concern on chip is recruiting and playing along with boosters. You can hate boosters if you are Nick Saban but other wise you have to at least try to get along or you end up like Miles.
I still think Herman and Jimbo should be forced to say no, provided that O doesn't lead us to the sec west title and sec title. If he does that then you can't give the job away.
However we will go with the assumption that O goes 5-2 and then wins the bowl.
1. herman and Jimbo, make them say no.
once they do that we are on to tier 2 which then it really comes down to fit with our program.
O has a 3 month or so long interview. So far he has done absolutely everything in his power to prove he deserves the job full time. He fired retard cam, he allows our assistants to earn their pay checks. He holds press conferences where we get real answers and he has installed a much better practice system here. He is using things from USC and Da U when they were winners.
Then we have recruiting O is from here and we know the best in the game at it.
Then it comes down to the rest of the staff. O probably has a list of people that would be hired. I assume we keep Aranda with O and he brings in a great oc that does things we need to do to mirror bama.
I have plenty of guys that i think would make great coaches at LSU, mainly because with the right fit even a decent coach can become good at LSU.
I do think certain coaches rather great or tier 2 just wouldn't be a fit with what it will take to win the sec. You are not winning the sec with chip kelly style unless you have a legit d.
Since the spread came into play you have UF under urban, AU with cam and then Marshall. Im not sure its viable to win that way consistently. IMO the way to win is mirror the bama offense.
I still think Herman and Jimbo should be forced to say no, provided that O doesn't lead us to the sec west title and sec title. If he does that then you can't give the job away.
However we will go with the assumption that O goes 5-2 and then wins the bowl.
1. herman and Jimbo, make them say no.
once they do that we are on to tier 2 which then it really comes down to fit with our program.
O has a 3 month or so long interview. So far he has done absolutely everything in his power to prove he deserves the job full time. He fired retard cam, he allows our assistants to earn their pay checks. He holds press conferences where we get real answers and he has installed a much better practice system here. He is using things from USC and Da U when they were winners.
Then we have recruiting O is from here and we know the best in the game at it.
Then it comes down to the rest of the staff. O probably has a list of people that would be hired. I assume we keep Aranda with O and he brings in a great oc that does things we need to do to mirror bama.
I have plenty of guys that i think would make great coaches at LSU, mainly because with the right fit even a decent coach can become good at LSU.
I do think certain coaches rather great or tier 2 just wouldn't be a fit with what it will take to win the sec. You are not winning the sec with chip kelly style unless you have a legit d.
Since the spread came into play you have UF under urban, AU with cam and then Marshall. Im not sure its viable to win that way consistently. IMO the way to win is mirror the bama offense.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 4:56 pm to heartbreakTiger
The worst charge right now against O is that 12 years ago he took a job that he shouldn't have taken and he failed.
He clearly has learned from that failure. The key with me is he is telling me what he learned and how he learned from it. The process is important. O has told us why he has the different themed days, why he believes that more mental in practice works. He is backing up changes with reasons, that aren't just the opposite of Les so we do this.
He clearly has learned from that failure. The key with me is he is telling me what he learned and how he learned from it. The process is important. O has told us why he has the different themed days, why he believes that more mental in practice works. He is backing up changes with reasons, that aren't just the opposite of Les so we do this.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 5:27 pm to radicalizedtigah
Of those 3 ? Bebe
Posted on 10/17/16 at 5:37 pm to heartbreakTiger
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He clearly has learned from that failure.
It's really not that clear.
quote:
The key with me is he is telling me what he learned and how he learned from it. The process is important. O has told us why he has the different themed days, why he believes that more mental in practice works. He is backing up changes with reasons, that aren't just the opposite of Les so we do this.
He is definitely saying the right things, but that by no means proves that he has learned how to be an elite level HC. It means he knows what he did didn't work, which everyone else knows as well. The things he's actually DOING may or may not prove to be successful over the long haul.
People improve, all the time. But we need to realize that O was the bottom of the barrel at Ole Miss. You are asking him to go from a 1 to a 10, and thats just not realistic.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 5:49 pm to SportTiger1
I don't think we need him at a 10. We need his motivation and hiring skills to be a 10. I do think O is smarter than many people will give him credit for.
CEO coaches can win, its just making sure they know how to hire and fire. Firing being the key.
I don't think it is unreasonable to believe that O can match the success of someone like dabo. Dabo is a functioning retard, but he knows how to hire people and get out of their way.
I think O has a ceiling slightly higher than dabo if we hire him and the basement is pretty low all things considered. Even if O was hired and didn't get results on the field, we know the team would be stock piled with talent.
Its clear O has been plotting what he would do should he ever get the job. I think that shows good attention to detail. You don't call pete in and fire cam if you didn't have plan already to go.
FWIW I believe the higher ups and the important boosters have probably talked to O and he has told him the overall plan and how he would get LSU back to greatness.
Like I said though unless he goes undefeated then we still have to call the tier 1 guys.
Im just not going to be no, no matter what O cant have the job. Im willing to give the benefit of the doubt until he proves he can't handle it. Im even willing to overlook on the field stuff if i see improvement and a real process being implemented. I feel like so far Ed O has done everything that can be done. I also think he provides more stability than some gambles on the tier 2 group.
Honestly so far though the only real way id flip my shite is if we hired B Kelly, anyone that has a losing record this far into their tenure at ND is a no go. Shaw, he is a west coast les miles.
Larry Fedora is moving towards the group of Nah based on his unwillingness to change his o at all. His o is nice other than in a storm, but his D would be mince meat in the sec.
CEO coaches can win, its just making sure they know how to hire and fire. Firing being the key.
I don't think it is unreasonable to believe that O can match the success of someone like dabo. Dabo is a functioning retard, but he knows how to hire people and get out of their way.
I think O has a ceiling slightly higher than dabo if we hire him and the basement is pretty low all things considered. Even if O was hired and didn't get results on the field, we know the team would be stock piled with talent.
Its clear O has been plotting what he would do should he ever get the job. I think that shows good attention to detail. You don't call pete in and fire cam if you didn't have plan already to go.
FWIW I believe the higher ups and the important boosters have probably talked to O and he has told him the overall plan and how he would get LSU back to greatness.
Like I said though unless he goes undefeated then we still have to call the tier 1 guys.
Im just not going to be no, no matter what O cant have the job. Im willing to give the benefit of the doubt until he proves he can't handle it. Im even willing to overlook on the field stuff if i see improvement and a real process being implemented. I feel like so far Ed O has done everything that can be done. I also think he provides more stability than some gambles on the tier 2 group.
Honestly so far though the only real way id flip my shite is if we hired B Kelly, anyone that has a losing record this far into their tenure at ND is a no go. Shaw, he is a west coast les miles.
Larry Fedora is moving towards the group of Nah based on his unwillingness to change his o at all. His o is nice other than in a storm, but his D would be mince meat in the sec.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 5:50 pm to SportTiger1
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He is definitely saying the right things, but that by no means proves that he has learned how to be an elite level HC. It means he knows what he did didn't work, which everyone else knows as well. The things he's actually DOING may or may not prove to be successful over the long haul.
People improve, all the time. But we need to realize that O was the bottom of the barrel at Ole Miss. You are asking him to go from a 1 to a 10, and thats just not realistic.
Well I would call it a 1 to a 6 to a 10. The 6 is his time at USC.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 5:56 pm to heartbreakTiger
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CEO coaches can win, its just making sure they know how to hire and fire. Firing being the key.
Agreed, they can. It's just harder. And obviously becoming much more rare for that very reason.
quote:Reasonable i guess. I would still make Herman and Jimbo say no, even if O wins out. But i can definitely move him to number 3 in that scenario.
Like I said though unless he goes undefeated then we still have to call the tier 1 guys.
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Honestly so far though the only real way id flip my shite is if we hired B Kelly,
Agreed completely.
Honestly, it's the people hiring O at this very point after he's won 2 games. MANY people are giving him the job if he goes 5-2, and that is based on nothing more than emotion.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 5:59 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Well I would call it a 1 to a 6 to a 10. The 6 is his time at USC.
Whatever. How rare is it (in every field) that a guy goes from bottom to the top? I think it's much more risky than people are willing to admit.
It is so freaking easy to screw up this hire. Schools with much more prestige do it all the time. We need the guy with the least amount of risk as possible.
And i definitely dont agree that we can fire him in 3 years if it doesnt work out and go right back to an elite program. It just doesnt work like that.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 6:03 pm to SportTiger1
some people have thrown out names like James Franklin and Art briles 
its funny speculation.
Im pretty wait and see about most of it though. I do like what O has done and I think he is the safest bet of the tier 2s, high ceiling and relatively low basement considering we would be stocked full of talent. outside of kelly and shaw Id have to look up any tier 2 guy to see if its an oh shite hire. Then comes the press conference and how they carry themselves.
I feel like we have become way to result oriented without looking at the process and all variables. We had les defenders pointing to his winning percentage and not seeing this disaster forming because the break down of discipline. Its why i think fit is really key. Fedora is scaring me with being so hard headed about his offense.
I just don't see how you can pass him over if he wins the sec west.
its funny speculation. Im pretty wait and see about most of it though. I do like what O has done and I think he is the safest bet of the tier 2s, high ceiling and relatively low basement considering we would be stocked full of talent. outside of kelly and shaw Id have to look up any tier 2 guy to see if its an oh shite hire. Then comes the press conference and how they carry themselves.
I feel like we have become way to result oriented without looking at the process and all variables. We had les defenders pointing to his winning percentage and not seeing this disaster forming because the break down of discipline. Its why i think fit is really key. Fedora is scaring me with being so hard headed about his offense.
I just don't see how you can pass him over if he wins the sec west.
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