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Gary Patterson a good choice if Herman or Fisher do not work out
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:04 am
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:04 am
Conventional wisdom has Herman and Fisher as top two choices for LSU. You cannot please everyone, but either one of these hires would likely be seen as a win for LSU. Any other hire, other than some big surprise like a current NFL coach looking for college life, would likely elicit a mixed response from fans.
There are some good coaches in the second tier of most mentioned names. Fedora is one. The one I like most, and someone where the interest would probably be mutual, is Gary Patterson.
But for a couple off seasons at TCU, what he has done there has been nothing short or remarkable. He wins on average 10 games a year at a Texas school that is at a big recruiting disadvantage to Texas and Texas A&M. His teams have absolutely crushed Texas a few times and recently demolished a good Ole Miss team. His teams hold their own with all the good BIG 12 schools, he just does it with less resources.
Patterson is young enough at 56 to be a long term hire. He has a defensive background, but his teams have been offensive juggernaut. He does more with less talent than most coaches out there.
Bum Phillips used to say a good coach is one who can take mine and beat yorn, and then take yorn and beat mine. Patterson has done a lot with a little.
I think Patterson is a pick that would get mixed reviews by LSU fans. Herman is definitely the sexier pick and a coach who has definitely done a lot with a little. Patterson just has a longer track record of being good, there is less risk he is a flash in the pan.
Like most, I would be happy with Fisher or Herman. if we don't land either of those guys, among the second tier of names currently being mentioned, Patterson would be a good one.
There are some good coaches in the second tier of most mentioned names. Fedora is one. The one I like most, and someone where the interest would probably be mutual, is Gary Patterson.
But for a couple off seasons at TCU, what he has done there has been nothing short or remarkable. He wins on average 10 games a year at a Texas school that is at a big recruiting disadvantage to Texas and Texas A&M. His teams have absolutely crushed Texas a few times and recently demolished a good Ole Miss team. His teams hold their own with all the good BIG 12 schools, he just does it with less resources.
Patterson is young enough at 56 to be a long term hire. He has a defensive background, but his teams have been offensive juggernaut. He does more with less talent than most coaches out there.
Bum Phillips used to say a good coach is one who can take mine and beat yorn, and then take yorn and beat mine. Patterson has done a lot with a little.
I think Patterson is a pick that would get mixed reviews by LSU fans. Herman is definitely the sexier pick and a coach who has definitely done a lot with a little. Patterson just has a longer track record of being good, there is less risk he is a flash in the pan.
Like most, I would be happy with Fisher or Herman. if we don't land either of those guys, among the second tier of names currently being mentioned, Patterson would be a good one.
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Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:05 am to paper tiger
He's been at TCU since 1998
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:05 am to paper tiger
He has an incredible situation up there.
I don't think he ever really leaves TCU.
I don't think he ever really leaves TCU.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:06 am to paper tiger
I wouldn't be mad. Can he bring Cumbie and Meachem?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:06 am to paper tiger
Patterson makes an absolute shitTon of money at TCU. Oil money backs him and he loves it there. Won't happen
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:06 am to paper tiger
How many times do we have to go through this? He has said he is absolutely never leaving TCU. Its not happening.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:08 am to paper tiger
Rummel Tiger has a good idea on that situation, and he's always explained he's rooted too deep at the school.
His father-in-law who is a big TCU donor is some rich oil tycoon and they have his contract loaded with "Extras" tied to various oil deals.
His father-in-law who is a big TCU donor is some rich oil tycoon and they have his contract loaded with "Extras" tied to various oil deals.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:09 am to adamb2151
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He has said he is absolutely never leaving TCU. Its not happening.
Not exactly true
In the offseason he told a reporter there are 5 jobs he would consider leaving for. Not definately leave for, but at least be open to.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:22 am to paper tiger
I'm not sure Patterson has the personality to be successful at LSU. Being head coach at LSU comes with public relations expectations that just do not exist at TCU. LSU fans will tolerate a lot from coaches who win, but they also expect access to the coach whether directly or indirectly through the media. Can an old dog like Patterson learn new tricks? I don't know the answer, but he hasn't impressed me as being comfortable with attention from the media with the limited exposure I've witnessed.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:32 am to paper tiger
Ya think?
LSU can't get Patterson.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:35 am to Poodlebrain
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I'm not sure Patterson has the personality to be successful at LSU. Being head coach at LSU comes with public relations expectations that just do not exist at TCU. LSU fans will tolerate a lot from coaches who win, but they also expect access to the coach whether directly or indirectly through the media. Can an old dog like Patterson learn new tricks? I don't know the answer, but he hasn't impressed me as being comfortable with attention from the media with the limited exposure I've witnessed.
What? LSU fans don't give a shite about a coaches comfortability with the media as long as he wins big. Nick Saban despises the media, and frankly the media doesn't like him. Do you think LSU fans wouldn't welcome him back with open arms?
I don't give a shite if the HC never gives a press conference as long as he wins on Saturday. As a fan, the only thing I'm "entitled" to is that the seat I purchase is available when I show up to the game on Saturday.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:42 am to Stud Bud
I have read that Patterson might be interested in LSU. Its true that TCU has big donors and can pay a lot of money. But money is only one of the two biggest factors that drive where a coach chooses to go.
The other factor, at least in college football, is what school gives one the best chance to win a national championship. A kissing cousin to this benefit is national exposure.
In the tv show Cheers, the theme song talks about a bar where you can go to and everyone knows your name. Everyone knows Les Miles name, he won a national championship at LSU and became a favorite on ESPN.
Outside of the more hardcore college football fans, no one knows Pattersons' name. Test it out, ask your wife who he is, or ask some more casual fans.
LSU is a school where more people will know his name and where he can get the talent to go for the real brass ring.
No one on here really knows if Patterson would leave TCU or not, I sure do not. He is on a lot of lists being published and I think there is enough out there fro him to be in the conversation.
The other factor, at least in college football, is what school gives one the best chance to win a national championship. A kissing cousin to this benefit is national exposure.
In the tv show Cheers, the theme song talks about a bar where you can go to and everyone knows your name. Everyone knows Les Miles name, he won a national championship at LSU and became a favorite on ESPN.
Outside of the more hardcore college football fans, no one knows Pattersons' name. Test it out, ask your wife who he is, or ask some more casual fans.
LSU is a school where more people will know his name and where he can get the talent to go for the real brass ring.
No one on here really knows if Patterson would leave TCU or not, I sure do not. He is on a lot of lists being published and I think there is enough out there fro him to be in the conversation.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:23 am to Alt26
quote:Nick Saban uses the media as well as any coach in America. He is unique in his success on the field allows him to control of the relationship with the media. He doesn't shy away from appearances that reflect positively on Nick Saban or Alabama football. Saban still has to glad hand with the big donors to Alabama and make the rounds with the fans, as will whoever LSU hires. I don't know that Patterson would be comfortable doing that. Is that not a reasonable doubt to have and issue to raise? I'm sure it will be a topic of conversation in a job interview.
Nick Saban despises the media, and frankly the media doesn't like him.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:28 am to Poodlebrain
Gary Patterson is like Bill Snyder. He likes where he is, and he isn't leaving. He wouldn't even leave for UTx.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:29 am to paper tiger
People don't realize that he actually has an oil royalty thing going on with TCU booster. He's never leaving TCU.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:33 am to Solo Cam
Yep, TCU is a private university so they dont even have to release his salary. Who knows what all he is being paid.
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