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Explain to me why Bobby Petrino isn't the clear #1 choice
Posted on 11/9/16 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 11/9/16 at 9:23 pm
I understand that he has a checkered past.
The most troubling episode to me comes from his adulterous affair which he brought into the Arkansas program by hiring her.
There is also the way he left the Falcons which many find troubling.
Other than those two indiscretions, the main arguments usually focus on his general cocky and a-hole persona.
While his marital indiscretions are troublesome, I doubt many would disqualify him based on that alone. When combined with his abuse of power, however, I can understand more hesitation. But he seems to have been publicly humiliated to the point of actually learning his lesson. Was forced to take a year away from the game, then work his way back at a mid major before returning to Louisville. Given his clean record in that time, I see no reason that he shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt.
As for the Falcons, he took the job with the understanding that he would be working with Michael Vick. Before he ever got the chance to coach him, the dogfighting scandal broke, and the experiment was over before it began. Yes, he left before the season was over, and without personally speaking to the team, and I'm sure he regrets that. But again, should that disqualify him from coaching LSU?
As for his demeanor, i can think of far more coaches that seem arrogant and abrasive than those that aren't. In fact, the most successful usually seem the most afflicted in that regard. There is a coach to the East that many here dislike personally that didn't seem so repulsive when his act was performing in Baton Rouge. And many who now see Coach O as their champion saw him his a treasonous cheater at USC Ole Miss and Tennessee and never wanted him anywhere near the LSU program. Point being, sometimes our perception and toleration of someone's personality hinges on our relationship with the jerk.
So with all that said, now let's get to his actual resume.
He is a certified offensive guru that has won big at every job other than the Falcons, often times with far less talent than he is up against.
He has a proven track record making stars at the quarterback position, and a system that has worked in major college football for over a decade, including in the SEC.
What other candidate can match what he has done on the field for as long as he has with as many different quarterbacks? Again, in the SEC.
For a long time, I was of the opinion that Petrino was untouchable. But when I actually went back and read up on him, I truly don't see any unforgivable offenses. But there is no doubt about the potential of his offenses here in Baton Rouge (see what I did there
)
I'd really like some serious conversation here, not just the no thanks too dirty quips.
Any info on him that I'm missing, particularly about his recruiting ability, reputation, or past indiscretions would be greatly appreciated.
Just a few more weeks till we see who will be the new face of the program going forward
The most troubling episode to me comes from his adulterous affair which he brought into the Arkansas program by hiring her.
There is also the way he left the Falcons which many find troubling.
Other than those two indiscretions, the main arguments usually focus on his general cocky and a-hole persona.
While his marital indiscretions are troublesome, I doubt many would disqualify him based on that alone. When combined with his abuse of power, however, I can understand more hesitation. But he seems to have been publicly humiliated to the point of actually learning his lesson. Was forced to take a year away from the game, then work his way back at a mid major before returning to Louisville. Given his clean record in that time, I see no reason that he shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt.
As for the Falcons, he took the job with the understanding that he would be working with Michael Vick. Before he ever got the chance to coach him, the dogfighting scandal broke, and the experiment was over before it began. Yes, he left before the season was over, and without personally speaking to the team, and I'm sure he regrets that. But again, should that disqualify him from coaching LSU?
As for his demeanor, i can think of far more coaches that seem arrogant and abrasive than those that aren't. In fact, the most successful usually seem the most afflicted in that regard. There is a coach to the East that many here dislike personally that didn't seem so repulsive when his act was performing in Baton Rouge. And many who now see Coach O as their champion saw him his a treasonous cheater at USC Ole Miss and Tennessee and never wanted him anywhere near the LSU program. Point being, sometimes our perception and toleration of someone's personality hinges on our relationship with the jerk.
So with all that said, now let's get to his actual resume.
He is a certified offensive guru that has won big at every job other than the Falcons, often times with far less talent than he is up against.
He has a proven track record making stars at the quarterback position, and a system that has worked in major college football for over a decade, including in the SEC.
What other candidate can match what he has done on the field for as long as he has with as many different quarterbacks? Again, in the SEC.
For a long time, I was of the opinion that Petrino was untouchable. But when I actually went back and read up on him, I truly don't see any unforgivable offenses. But there is no doubt about the potential of his offenses here in Baton Rouge (see what I did there
) I'd really like some serious conversation here, not just the no thanks too dirty quips.
Any info on him that I'm missing, particularly about his recruiting ability, reputation, or past indiscretions would be greatly appreciated.
Just a few more weeks till we see who will be the new face of the program going forward
This post was edited on 11/9/16 at 9:26 pm
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 9:26 pm to Tiger Voodoo
This
And this
And a $10M buyout.
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The most troubling episode to me comes from his adulterous affair which he brought into the Arkansas program by hiring her
And this
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There is also the way he left the Falcons which many find troubling
And a $10M buyout.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 9:29 pm to Tiger Voodoo
I didn't read that entire long post. But I don't think you mentioned he interviewed the same year Les was hired. It was reported that it went terribly and he was a jerk in the interview. That rubbed Skip and others the wrong way.
Another concern is that there have always been rumors that he doesn't run a great program. Player discipline, attitude, academics, etc. I don't know if that's true or not but it's been reported.
You can't question his coaching ability. I think he's a better fit at Louisville that's excited to win 8-10 games a year. However, he'd certainly be exciting at LSU.
One last thing is that it's been reported he has a crazy buyout. I just don't see it with those issues.
Another concern is that there have always been rumors that he doesn't run a great program. Player discipline, attitude, academics, etc. I don't know if that's true or not but it's been reported.
You can't question his coaching ability. I think he's a better fit at Louisville that's excited to win 8-10 games a year. However, he'd certainly be exciting at LSU.
One last thing is that it's been reported he has a crazy buyout. I just don't see it with those issues.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 9:34 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Great choice, especially if the AD comes with him.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 9:35 pm to Tiger Voodoo
$10mil buyout
/thread
/thread
Posted on 11/9/16 at 9:35 pm to specchaser
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But I don't think you mentioned he interviewed the same year Les was hired. It was reported that it went terribly and he was a jerk in the interview. That rubbed Skip and
You're right, and I was trying to keep the OP as short as possible so I didn't mention that.
Obviously, Skip isn't hiring here anymore, and the new crew seems to be cut from a different cloth, for better or worse, and may not be as easily offended.
Plus, as alluded to, Petrino has been through a lot that probably humbled him quite a bit. I doubt he would have the same attitude if given another call.
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Another concern is that there have always been rumors that he doesn't run a great program. Player discipline, attitude, academics, etc. I don't know if that's true or not but it's been reported.
I remember hearing vague things about this after Louisville, but I feel like there seems to be a culture there that wouldn't be the same at LSU. Look at the basketball program there, it seems institutional.
I don't remember hearing as much about that stuff at Arkansas. Am I missing something there?
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crazy buyout
Is it the type of buyout like Miles' that went down every year? That would make it more like 7 million now.
Still a lot of money but probably doable given the money we were willing to spend last year to fire Miles, especially if Miles gets another job to offset what we still have to pay him.
Thanks for the response and info though. Appreciated
This post was edited on 11/9/16 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 11/9/16 at 9:39 pm to Tiger Voodoo
A HC is a lot more than just a football coach. They have a lot of other obligations and responsibilities that make Petrino too risky.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 9:50 pm to airfernando
On top of the obvious things already mentioned we might also consider that Saban annually made him his chew toy. You might look past that without the other issues, but on top of everything else it adds to my skepticism.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:00 pm to Tiger Voodoo
I think it's mainly due to the fact that Petrino is not going to leave Louisville. Doesn't matter what number on the list you put him at if he is just going to say no.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:53 pm to Tiger Voodoo
I would hire him in a heartbeat.
But that $10m buyout is not gonna happen.
But that $10m buyout is not gonna happen.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 11:09 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Don't see him leaving
Posted on 11/10/16 at 12:00 am to Tiger Voodoo
quote:
Explain to me why Bobby Petrino isn't the clear #1 choice
Posted on 11/10/16 at 1:41 am to 0
The people that think Petrino has some sort of loyalty to Louisville are kidding themselves
He would sell them out in a heart beat if he got a shot at a big time job. The dude has no loyalty.
He would sell them out in a heart beat if he got a shot at a big time job. The dude has no loyalty.
Posted on 11/10/16 at 5:23 am to wildtigercat93
Hard to believe folks would even ask the question. The guy is a human a hole with no ethics or morals. His D is decent for the ACC but would fail in SEC. He would not be able to beat Saban and Bama. Overachieved his last two years in 2010 and 2011. Left Arky a train wreck. If he coached at LSU by the team he left the cupboard would be barren. And what would be left would fit only his scheme and not the next guy's. Rebuilding would be a biatch. Pass all day, any day in any universe of reality!!!!
Posted on 11/10/16 at 5:55 am to Canwoodtiger
Sorry, but I would not want a guy with no morals and a habit of leaving/resigning at the worst time and with no class as the head coach of anyone's children, much less our athletes at LSU.
Posted on 11/10/16 at 6:32 am to scormi5
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no loyalty
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human a hole with no ethics or morals
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no morals and a habit of leaving/resigning at the worst time and with no class
See this is exactly the way I used to think, and honestly it's just simplistic judgement and pretty uninformed.
He doesn't have a "history or leaving at the worst time". He didn't leave Louisville badly. He left Atlanta in a not ideal way, but again the entire Atlanta experience was a series of unfortunate events sparked by Vick's unforeseen legal troubles.
Once Vick was arrested, the job was not what it was supposed to be when he left college for the NFL and so he went back for a good opportunity. Nick Saban did the same thing and was rightly criticized as was Petrino, but people have gotten over it, as they should.
As for him being a "a hole", that is just silly. List the successful coaches that seem to be a holes and which don't and no question the list would be lopsided. Saban was the same jerk in Baton Rouge that he is now and no one cared back then. O was considered dirty and underhanded anytime he recruited against us, now he is the prodigal son. I have no doubt our fans would warm up to his persona when the Tigers are putting up 40+ a game in the SEC.
The no morals question is tougher. He had an affair. That is not an opinion. He also unethically used his position to get her a job. Again, not an opinion.
But by all appearances he has redevoted himself to his wife and family, and for a man that has been a coach for over 30 years that is the only example of such behavior. People make mistakes. No one knows what was going on in his life and marriage at the time, and while he deserves criticism and punishment for that behavior at that time in his life, there is no indication of similar behavior before or since, and he appears to have been sufficiently embarrassed and ashamed enough to have learned his lesson there.
These are simply not reasons that such a successful offensive mind should not be given every consideration.
The buyout is a factor, but can anyone answer my question about whether the buyout has gone down every year since the deal was signed. I assume it would. That makes the number more like 7 million, and given that we were willing and able to pay twice that much to fire Miles last year, doesn't seem like a deal breaker.
As to whether he would leave Louisville, there is no way to know unless we ask. I wouldn't blame him either way. Him staying would make a lot of sense, and may even be considered "loyal" and the right thing by many of you. But leaving for an opportunity to coach at a school like LSU certainly shouldn't be seen as not loyal imo. It's a great job and no one should blame a coach for wanting to compete and succeed at the highest level.
I also respect the argument about Petrino's struggles against Alabama at Arkansas. But obviously he would be in a much more talent rich state to find weapons for his system that had success against every other SEC team he faced, including LSU.
I think LSU would be remiss to fail to at least reach out and talk to him. As one poster said, he already interviewed here before, and perhaps those that were there will notice a change in his demeanor and attitude. Perhaps not. But there is no reason not to at least do our due diligence when offensive production is so clearly our biggest need.
Posted on 11/10/16 at 6:40 am to LesGeaux45
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And a $10M buyout
Doesn't this only matter if he is fired?
Posted on 11/10/16 at 7:28 am to Tiger Voodoo
Because he's a turd and you can't polish turds. Ask any Atlanta Falcon what they think about him.
Posted on 11/10/16 at 7:34 am to Tiger Voodoo
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As for him being a "a hole", that is just silly. List the successful coaches that seem to be a holes and which don't and no question the list would be lopsided. Saban was the same jerk in Baton Rouge that he is now and no one cared back then. O was considered dirty and underhanded anytime he recruited against us, now he is the prodigal son. I have no doubt our fans would warm up to his persona when the Tigers are putting up 40+ a game in the SEC.
A coach does not have to be a douchebag or A hole to be successful. The Urban Meyer's and Saban's of the world have warped that perception. There was once a Tom Landry and Bill Walsh. Petey Carroll is not really a jerk IMHO. Bellichick is and a cheat. We know about the Crimson one. Miles by all means washed up but his overall track record is that of more success that not. He is a nice guy. Jimbo is something in between. Spurrier came off as a jerk sometimes but he had a good sense of humor about it all. Not so bad after all. Why can't we have a grand slam HC who can be jerk when he has to be but can be a decent human being overall. And, has some sense of decency and morals. Is that too tough to ask for? I think not.
This post was edited on 11/10/16 at 7:35 am
Posted on 11/10/16 at 7:40 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Saban was the same jerk in Baton Rouge that he is now and no one cared back then.
Uhhh yeah they did. They just pushed it under the rug since he was building a strong winner and then won a NC. Certain powers that be noticed that he was a bid fit culturally with LSU and he treated AD employees like dog chiite. Not to mention trying to undermine Bertman and playing ego games with other folks at LSU. One of many reasons (besides the fact the job was not open at the time) why Skip gladly told him no dice when he asked for his old job back in the fall of 2006.
Part of the reason O was being considered for permanaent position (IMHO until Sat. night) is that he is a good cultural fit. That is important. And why Jimbo's previous experience at LSU make him a fit in the eyes of certain decision makers. The sentiment I listed above IMHO is what the BOS, TAF and Alleva are looking for - a true winner who fits in with the overall local flavor and has no several ethical flaws.
This post was edited on 11/10/16 at 7:43 am
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