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re: "Coach O pushing all the right buttons." **UPDATED**
Posted on 10/24/16 at 3:08 pm to Goldrush25
Posted on 10/24/16 at 3:08 pm to Goldrush25
I guess what it boils down to is you guys vastly underestimate the amount of football knowledge Ed Orgeron has. He knows what kind of offense and defense he wants to run and he can tell his coaches what he wants. How the coaches implement that is up to them.
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 3:18 pm to Goldrush25
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The opposite, a hands off approach, is problematic as well. The HC has to make key decisions in high leverage moments. How can someone like O do that when both of his coordinators are more knowledgeable than he is? I think the best coaches strike a balance between micromanaging and being hands off. Neither approach is optimal.
To think Orgeron knows little or nothing about DC is asinine. If he coached DL under Jimmy Johnson and Pete Carroll, both former DC then HCs I would expect he learned something. Probably quite a bit. Do you think the DC of a team locks the DL coach out of the room and doesn't discuss scheme or gameplan or even ask input of his other defensive coaches? I'm not saying he should be putting gameplans together, but to assume O has nothing to offer his DCs is a little ridiculous. Hell, he was even DL coach for the Saints for a year before Kiffin brought him in at Tennessee as the AHC/DL/recruiting coordinator.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 3:43 pm to BayouCowboy
You people are lowering the bar for Coach O. We don't have to settle for anyone that is not an expert on one side of the ball.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 4:02 pm to Goldrush25
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You people are lowering the bar for Coach O. We don't have to settle for anyone that is not an expert on one side of the ball.
Orgeron's become an expert in handling players, coaching staff and practices, that's what the powers that be around LSU love about him.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 4:05 pm to TrueTigerTale
Would you want CEO if he brought in Sarkisian to be the O.C. And keep the coaching as is with changes if needed.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 4:12 pm to Amish threesome
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Would you want CEO if he brought in Sarkisian to be the O.C. And keep the coaching as is with changes if needed.
Why not just hire Sark?
As a condition of his employment just get him to say he's learned from his mistakes. It's working for Coach O.
You notice how we're not talking about who we have to bring in for any of the top candidates like Herman, Jimbo, and Kelly?
This post was edited on 10/24/16 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 10/24/16 at 4:21 pm to Goldrush25
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Why not just hire Sark?
Because he's not a better recruiter than CEO and definitely won't get the most out of the players like CEO will. CEO is basically miles but has the balls to recognize when things are wrong and make a change ie the offense.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 4:26 pm to Byron Bojangles III
A good leader should explain the gameplan objectives and allow his assistants to plan and to execute. If he gets wrapped up in the details of one side of the ball or the other than he becomes a less effective leader.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 4:29 pm to Amish threesome
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Would you want CEO if he brought in Sarkisian to be the O.C.
If his first move as coach was to bring in a literal alcoholic I would say no.
that is a bad idea.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 4:42 pm to Tiger Ryno
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O having sustained success will be dependent on always having 2 elite coordinators. That's a fact. And it's a big problem.
coming from a Miles defender this is hilarious.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 4:49 pm to CptBengal
Miles defender? I wanted him fired in 2005. You got me mixed up with someone else chief.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 5:06 pm to Goldrush25
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You people are lowering the bar for Coach O. We don't have to settle for anyone that is not an expert on one side of the ball.
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"We're actually spending on average 66% less time on the field, strength and conditioning coach Tommy Moffit said Monday on "Culotta and the Fan" on 104.5 ESPN Baton Rouge." "But we're only doing 25% less work."
In 3 games under Orgeron, LSU is outscoring its opponents 73-7 in the second half.
“There’s tangible results because our guys are playing faster in games, Moffit said. "And fewer injuries because you spend less time on the field. Injuries heal up faster."
Tangible results from O? I thought he was just a motivator. Read the article. You just might learn something.
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“We talked. Ensminger, myself, and some of the other coaches came together and we all said, ‘Here’s some of the things we’ve done in other places that have been successful. What are they similar to here?’” Coach O told SB Nation’s Steven Godfrey after his debut win over Mizzou, which saw his Tigers set a school record for offensive yards against an SEC opponent. “Because we can’t change the language right now, obviously. So we tried to run some of the same stuff out of different formations and packages.”
Wait, what is O doing talking offense with his OC? He's just a dumb DL coach. Read the article. You might learn something.
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Call me crazy, but I'll take the word of players, staff and those with connections to the program. Now LSU may fall flat on their face in 2 weeks or fizzle out down the stretch. But until then I'll enjoy the ride, cheer for O and the Tigers and give the man his due. He's earned it SO FAR.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 5:11 pm to Random LSU Hero
Well no shite morale was low. We lost the first game of the season with high expectations. If they pick him over the 3 great candidates, this fan base deserves what's coming to them
Posted on 10/24/16 at 5:24 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Yeah but the end result is the same...You work your arse off trying to get the best possible coordinators out there. So the job isn't any "easier" for Saban or Meyer even though they are experts themselves.
Why is it that Saban's defense is ALWAYS incredible? Or that Urbans and Harbaugh's offense is always super productive?
Answer, it's because it doesn't matter who the coordinator is. Sure, they are going to hire the best possible coach they can, but they are not reliant on them. O would rise and fall with his coordinators, because he doesnt have the experience(i have no idea how knowledgeable he is) of running a defense.
It's better to be reliant on one elite coordinator than it is two. Thats just the facts Mickey.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 5:40 pm to SportTiger1
It's amazing how people can't comprehend this
Posted on 10/24/16 at 5:56 pm to Macintosh504
When i see Saban or Harbaugh, or even Jimbo and Herman ranting and raving on the sidelines, then i watch Miles or even worse, Orgeron on the sideline just watching the game...i dont get a warm and fuzzy about their true gameday abilities.
They probably showed O 50 times on the TV, and i can't remember him saying a word to anyone, even into the Mic. The most he spoke was when he chest bumped Guice after his TD.
They probably showed O 50 times on the TV, and i can't remember him saying a word to anyone, even into the Mic. The most he spoke was when he chest bumped Guice after his TD.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 8:58 pm to SportTiger1
So you want a raging lunatic on the sideline then you'll feel more confident about his coaching abilities? Jesus.
Look nobody thinks Ensminger is the next Steve Spurrier yet every single game since Orgeron has been head coach we have set a new offensive record. Why is that? And before you say Orgeron didn't "build" this team- he won't have a problem recruiting to keep the talent level as good as it is now.
So talent will remain the same and we currently have Ensminger as the offensive coordinator. Perhaps, Orgeron is a little more than just a DLine coach. For you guys putting so much importance of the coordinators, explain Ensminger.
Through the history of college football, there have been countless CEO types who have won national titles.
Look nobody thinks Ensminger is the next Steve Spurrier yet every single game since Orgeron has been head coach we have set a new offensive record. Why is that? And before you say Orgeron didn't "build" this team- he won't have a problem recruiting to keep the talent level as good as it is now.
So talent will remain the same and we currently have Ensminger as the offensive coordinator. Perhaps, Orgeron is a little more than just a DLine coach. For you guys putting so much importance of the coordinators, explain Ensminger.
Through the history of college football, there have been countless CEO types who have won national titles.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:08 pm to SportTiger1
Hey he shook Leonard's hand after one of his TDs wow what a coach!
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:21 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Look nobody thinks Ensminger is the next Steve Spurrier yet every single game since Orgeron has been head coach we have set a new offensive record. Why is that?
Not to take anything away from Steve but I think it is/was a combination of Miles/CC system so archaic that opponents literally didn't have to gameplan to even worry about certain parts of the field. It was lame. I also think a lot of pretty talented players no longer believed in that system or those coaches.
I think it was literally so bad that you could have thrown a dart at a board and picked an OC at random and it would have been a major improvement and the talent would be better utilized. SE had the benefit of knowing how to utilize the talent and he deserves credit.
O and company have done everything asked of them and that's great. But let's not forget that A) this was a pretty talented and experienced roster and B) we have played 2 shitty SEC teams and Southern Miss.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 9:22 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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I've feared all along we'd take the cowards route and hire O because he talks like us.
so that's it? you are reducing the situation to "he talks like us"?
no mention that he turned the locker room around, completely fixed our dysfunctional offense and has set records for his first 3 games? and you accuse others of liking the way he talks?
you're against O. I get that. but your blatant deflections of reality cause me to dismiss you completely. maybe you think it's because you don't talk like us. but it's really because you are a shallow close minded asshat.
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