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re: Art Briles sues Baylor
Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:29 am to BamaGradinTn
Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:29 am to BamaGradinTn
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This isn't the issue.
Do you want to go through another lawsuit with another coach?
By suing the regents, Briles has probably ensured that he will never, ever, work at another university again.
This.
It's staggering to me how many people refuse to live in reality. Regardless of your personal opinion of his level of culpability (moral, legal or otherwise), he is the most toxic, un-hireable name in all of college football, if not all of sport, at this point. It's just a 100% non-starter. I can't fathom how his filing a libel suit against 3 Baylor regents somehow makes him seem "innocent" or makes him look better or more hireable. The bottom line is he'd have to prove by preponderance of the evidence the falsity of every claim made by the regents in firing him for him to succeed on his claim, and his burden will be even higher if the court rules he isn't a private citizen/figure as he tries to assert in his petition. The REAL bottom line is neither Briles nor the regents want any part of any sworn deposition, written discovery, subpoenas duces tecum, etc. because both likely will come out looking even worse. This will never get to discovery, let alone trial.
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:30 am to El Magnifico
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If he is found innocent of Baylor's allegations he should be calling plays in Tiger Stadium.
Hell he should be our head coach if hes innocent
Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:34 am to BamaGradinTn
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And I'm sorry, but at what point has Briles had to answer anything under oath? Filing a lawsuit opens you up to a whole other level of exposure.
Not only does it seem as if he is willing, he is hiring attorneys to make sure it happens.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:40 am to Old Money
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Pretty sure Briles was not paid a buyout due to his termination and how it all went down
While not technically a "buyout", Briles filed a wrongful termination suit and Baylor settled out of court for what would essentially be a buyout.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:49 am to Number2
Actually it makes me more interested.
Short term this makes him more toxic by continuing the crapstorm. This makes him more available at lower cost to a potential employer.
Also, if evidence exists of his guilt it probably would have surfaced by now. Pushing the issue probably means no evidence exists, and an end of his problem.
His offer could be made at lower cost and with the caveat that credible evidence of guilt is grounds for dismissal and partial repayment. Later if he is proven not guilty and a success at LSU we can renegotiate his contract.
Don't think LSU has the testicular fortitude to pull trigger.
Short term this makes him more toxic by continuing the crapstorm. This makes him more available at lower cost to a potential employer.
Also, if evidence exists of his guilt it probably would have surfaced by now. Pushing the issue probably means no evidence exists, and an end of his problem.
His offer could be made at lower cost and with the caveat that credible evidence of guilt is grounds for dismissal and partial repayment. Later if he is proven not guilty and a success at LSU we can renegotiate his contract.
Don't think LSU has the testicular fortitude to pull trigger.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 11:00 am to Gaspergou202
A big school is not going to take a risk on him right now. The guy is 61 years old and is more toxic then Lane Kiffin in the public eye. Him taking the Boise State player that he was directly warned about really hurts his image that he had no idea even if he's proven to be innocent in court. I don't see Art coaching in any fashion at a major university. It will help his son though if he can win this case.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 11:15 am to Hangit
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Not only does it seem as if he is willing, he is hiring attorneys to make sure it happens.
Or he's bluffing, looking for a settlement.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 11:24 am to Number2
Setting up nicely for N$ to hire him as OC at Bama. And LSU is waiting on Kiffin...
Posted on 12/9/16 at 11:58 am to BamaGradinTn
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Or he's bluffing, looking for a settlement.
I don't think he is bluffing because he is ringing a bell that can't be unrung unless there is a settlement or trial.
Baylor was so irresponsible in every aspect of their Title IX responsibilities, along with their sexual assault response, whether or not athletes were involved, that they absolutely cannot go through discovery.
Baylor will pay. Baylor will then tell all of their big mouthed employees to STFU so that he does not sue them again.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 12:16 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Or he's bluffing, looking for a settlement.
An even better result for him. Appearance of innocence is the same as factual innocence in the public eye. Less money but no longer under risk of failure. A double win for him!
Also his being 61 increases our chances of keeping him long term if we desire it.
A few years here and he is at retirement age. Not attractive to a power school to have a temporary HC. And rebuilding becomes less attractive to one as age increases.
I would hire now, but LSU like most majors won't.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 12:29 pm to Number2
Hes suing the regents for defamation of what was written in the wall street journal.. also states they are actively preventing him from getting another coaching job.. he has every right to sue each regent. It was there mistake to speak of it to the press. What they did, forced his hand, and it will also open up what Baylor does not want to come out, that it went all the way up the ladder. The regents just screwed themselves and the University because they couldnt keep their mouths shut..
Posted on 12/9/16 at 12:31 pm to Hangit
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I don't think he is bluffing because he is ringing a bell that can't be unrung unless there is a settlement or trial.
Baylor was so irresponsible in every aspect of their Title IX responsibilities, along with their sexual assault response, whether or not athletes were involved, that they absolutely cannot go through discovery.
Baylor will pay. Baylor will then tell all of their big mouthed employees to STFU so that he does not sue them again.
exactly..
Posted on 12/9/16 at 12:40 pm to BamaGradinTn
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And I would put him on the stand, under oath, and do everything possible to absolutely ruin him.
Not a big fan of "innocent until PROVEN guilty, huh?
Posted on 12/9/16 at 12:42 pm to silverthorn
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Not a big fan of "innocent until PROVEN guilty, huh?
You know it's the other way around in our society today. Even if you are innocent in a court of law you are still viewed as guilty in the public eye.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 12:51 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
Not buying Art won't try to coach again. Sure, this may be a money grab, but by filing this suit he is declaring to the world his innocence and the media will not be able to blast him going forward with that doubt there, even if this doesn't get to discovery.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 12:45 am to Old Money
They bought him out he was not fired for cause.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 1:30 am to Number2
Count me in the camp as believing Art doesn't coach again, at least not in major college football.
There's no real way for Art (or Baylor) to win at this point. The longer this goes on, the more details that come out, the more people debate this, the more both the coach and the school lose.
There isn't going to be a smoking gun absolving Art, and every year a newer, younger coach with less baggage comes along. A year from now the next offense-du-jour will come along and Art will be forgotten - the Houston Nutt with legal issues.
There's no real way for Art (or Baylor) to win at this point. The longer this goes on, the more details that come out, the more people debate this, the more both the coach and the school lose.
There isn't going to be a smoking gun absolving Art, and every year a newer, younger coach with less baggage comes along. A year from now the next offense-du-jour will come along and Art will be forgotten - the Houston Nutt with legal issues.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 1:46 am to Leopold
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Count me in the camp as believing Art doesn't coach again, at least not in major college football.
There's no real way for Art (or Baylor) to win at this point. The longer this goes on, the more details that come out, the more people debate this, the more both the coach and the school lose.
There isn't going to be a smoking gun absolving Art, and every year a newer, younger coach with less baggage comes along. A year from now the next offense-du-jour will come along and Art will be forgotten - the Houston Nutt with legal issues.
Yep. I agree with this. Honestly, he is likely doing this to get the settlement, as mentioned above. He knows his career is done, and is giving the finger to Baylor one last time.
Highly unlikely he takes this in to court and is able to come out of it squeaky clean. Baylor, right or wrong, will ruin him in the process. He's just collecting the other $20 mil of his buyout at this point.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 5:44 am to Tiger Tracker
Go get Art Briles. The best choice for OC and probably have the best longevity out of the candidates because "no one would want him as HC"
If LSU had Aranda and Briles, I'd say national champion within 2-3 years
If LSU had Aranda and Briles, I'd say national champion within 2-3 years
Posted on 12/10/16 at 6:55 am to TigerFan55555
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Hes suing the regents for defamation of what was written in the wall street journal.. also states they are actively preventing him from getting another coaching job.. he has every right to sue each regent. It was there mistake to speak of it to the press. What they did, forced his hand, and it will also open up what Baylor does not want to come out, that it went all the way up the ladder. The regents just screwed themselves and the University because they couldnt keep their mouths shut..
Now this changes everything he definitely should sue.
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