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re: What has Hannagriff said today
Posted on 1/12/15 at 5:10 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 1/12/15 at 5:10 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Well it makes sense to me and others.
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Let it go
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I think given the fact that people have been posting about Charlie's info since Friday, it's reasonable to circle back now that his info is known.
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Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
It's a big deal as it relates to whether or not Smart is a serious candidate. And, this board is 99% about that. I'm interested in who the hire will be.
I'd love to believe that Smart is in play. But, it doesn't add up to me. And, it certainly doesn't match up with Hannagriff's info last week. And, I can't think of any logical reason why the deal wouldn't already be done if there was a chance that it could get done.
I started this thread because I got the distinct impression that Hannagriff had begun crawfishing on his info late Friday...and I think that this was the final move to get people from questioning him further.
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Posted on 1/12/15 at 5:28 pm to moneyg
You clearly put zero stock into what Charlie knows regarding this search. Nobody is gonna change your mind. I believe him that the man he was speaking of Friday was Smart. If you think he's lying, ok fine. Dissecting every word he said Friday means nothing when every hour a new name is thrown out there.
I believe he was in fact talking about Smart but that doesn't mean Smart will be the hire or that his info was accurate.
I believe he was in fact talking about Smart but that doesn't mean Smart will be the hire or that his info was accurate.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 6:14 pm to moneyg
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it certainly doesn't match up with Hannagriff's info last week.
What part doesn't add up?
SEC experience- Yes
NFL experience - Yes
Coached in 2014 - Yes
As a DC - Yes
I believe he declined to say whether or not he had coached at LSU.
And the ignore the name part was obviously about it being Alabama's guy.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 6:16 pm to nm1230
Jon hoke was the name of the candidate hanagrif was referring to on friday.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 12:22 pm to moneyg
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It's absurd to think that Charlie, after melting down the day before, would have been making the case that the fan base needed to ignore the name and focus on the resume in relation to Smart.
If the news had broken on Friday that Smart was the guy and the hire had been made, it would have been viewed as a home run.
Even now, it would go down as a huge hire. It's just a bit different now given that you have a bunch of idiots who are expecting us to land an NFL DC who is waiting for his team to lose in the playoffs.
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This is ridiculous.
So, two weeks after the board melting down over losing a DC to a rival western division foe, the same board would not have viewed LSU stealing the DC (who is universally viewed to be in line for a HC job in the SEC in the near future) from Alafrickingbama?
No fricking way.
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Listen, we've got idiots who are preemptively complaining about a handful of NFL DCs being hired because their defense wasn't good in the NFL.
So, obviously, some people will complain.
But, by and large, this move would basically be viewed as a GREAT hire by Les Miles. It would basically be us doing to Bama what A&M did to us.
The only way that Hannagriff was talking about Smart is if he just doesn't have his finger on the pulse of the fan base. I think too much of Hannagriff to think that is the case. And, given the lack of momentum of the coaching search when he made his comments, it's even harder to believe that he would think that people would be unhappy with Smart.
shite. It was Hannagriff's comments that gave this coaching search new life from a fan perspective. Everyone had pretty much accepted the worst case scenario before then.
Do you honestly think that if Hannagriff had just named Smart on friday instead of hiding it that people would have been disappointed? There would have been dancing bananas everywhere!
You couldn't have been more wrong. The board is full of people who don't want Smart for the EXACT reason Charlie predicted. Posted on 1/13/15 at 12:27 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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You couldn't have been more wrong. The board is full of people who don't want Smart for the EXACT reason Charlie predicted.
Your logic is very flawed.
Remind me again what the plausible explanation for why Hannagriff would have said "Look past the name and focus on the resume" applies to Smart.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 12:33 pm to moneyg
Jesus really? You still don't get it?
One last time:
A lot of people think Smart is a figurehead and a puppet at Alabama. They think Smart isn't proven enough or good enough to be on his own without Saban.
Sooo Hannagriff said ignore all that, and focus on the defenses he has coached. If you don't think that's what he meant, well he explained it word by word like 30 minutes ago on the radio.
Also, you claimed that he is misguided if he doesn't think the LSU fanbase would love this hire. Well I hope you now realize that it's you who is misguided. Most of the posts regarding Smart on this board have been negative.
One last time:
A lot of people think Smart is a figurehead and a puppet at Alabama. They think Smart isn't proven enough or good enough to be on his own without Saban.
Sooo Hannagriff said ignore all that, and focus on the defenses he has coached. If you don't think that's what he meant, well he explained it word by word like 30 minutes ago on the radio.
Also, you claimed that he is misguided if he doesn't think the LSU fanbase would love this hire. Well I hope you now realize that it's you who is misguided. Most of the posts regarding Smart on this board have been negative.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 12:44 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:This is why your logic is flawed.
A lot of people think Smart is a figurehead and a puppet at Alabama. They think Smart isn't proven enough or good enough to be on his own without Saban.
Sooo Hannagriff said ignore all that, and focus on the defenses he has coached. If you don't think that's what he meant, well he explained it word by word like 30 minutes ago on the radio.
In Smart's case the reason you suggest to discount the name is exactly the same reason to discount the record.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 12:51 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Jesus really? You still don't get it?
I was setting you up. You fell for it.
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A lot of people think Smart is a figurehead and a puppet at Alabama. They think Smart isn't proven enough or good enough to be on his own without Saban.
ok
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Sooo Hannagriff said ignore all that, and focus on the defenses he has coached.
What he actually said was "focus on the resume".
So, people who think that he was a figurehead and nothing more than a puppet are supposed to look at his resume, see his last 11 of the last 12 years as a coach with Saban and feel better about him not being a figure head? What should people be focusing on? Is it the 1 year he was a RB coach at Georgia? It makes no sense. If you think he is a puppet, there is NOTHING on his resume to make you change your mind.
He also said "ignore the name". If anything, Kirby Smart has a positive reputation...even if in truth it was unfairly acquired due to Saban.
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Sooo Hannagriff said ignore all that, and focus on the defenses he has coached. If you don't think that's what he meant, well he explained it word by word like 30 minutes ago on the radio.
He actually said "focus on the resume". But, even if I ignore that, and accept that he meant, "look at the defenses", it still doesn't make sense. If I'm someone who thinks he is a figurehead and a puppet, I'm supposed to look at Alabama's defenses and then change my mind about that? If you think Smart is a puppet, looking at Alabama's defense isn't going to magically change your opinion of that. You would see success and attribute it to Saban.
1 of 2 things occurred. Either Charlie is using Smart as a way to back off of saying the real name he had (tons of plausible reasons), or he did a horrible job of describing Smart on Friday.
Use your common sense. Go re-read the Hannagriff thread on Friday. Did anyone at the time who listed to Hannagriff's clues point to Smart? Everyone had used that info to point to a "tarnished name" or an "unknown" with a great resume. That's pretty damn good support for my position.
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Also, you claimed that he is misguided if he doesn't think the LSU fanbase would love this hire. Well I hope you now realize that it's you who is misguided. Most of the posts regarding Smart on this board have been negative.
This is very poor logic. LSU fans will never 100% agree with any hire short of Lombardi. But, you are absolutely wrong if you think the majority wouldn't like this hire if it actually happened. You are even more wrong (frequent for you) if you think they would have viewed Smart as a bad hire vs. the "realities" of promoting Brick Haley that was the common assumption prior to Hannagriff's comments on Friday.
Nonetheless, even if I accept your flawed premise that the majority disagrees with the hire, that says nothing about whether or not "looking at the resume" or "look at the defenses" logically applies to Smart.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 12:57 pm to moneyg
Lol yall believe what you want. Hanny said today he should have used his words a little differently and when he said "resume" he basically meant the rankings of his defenses. If you take Alabama and Saban out and just look at the rankings of his D, it looks like a flawless hire.
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:05 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Lol yall believe what you want. Hanny said today he should have used his words a little differently and when he said "resume" he basically meant the rankings of his defenses
Oh, Hannagriff said it? Well why didn't you say so. That totally proves that my assumption that Hannagriff is lying was wrong.
Give me a reasonable answer to the following question that you/Hannagriff set as the premise for questioning Smart in the first place.
If the issue is whether or not Smart is a figurehead under Saban...how does looking at his resume change that given that he's coached under Saban for the very large majority of his career?
If the issue is whether or not Smart is a figurehead under Saban...how does recognizing Alabama's ranking on Defense (which was self evident and known by everyone) calm those fears?
Can you answer those questions?
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:09 pm to moneyg
Well that's a non issue IMO. I'd live a coach in staff who learned defense under the tGOAT defensive mind. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:13 pm to cas4t
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the tGOAT defensive mind.
The "tGOAT defensive mind" with a decided talent advantage seems to get skewered regularly by the unconventional O's of the day. Just sayin'.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:25 pm to cas4t
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Well that's a non issue IMO. I'd live a coach in staff who learned defense under the tGOAT defensive mind. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?
You are the one who is not grasping what I'm saying fella.
I have no issue with Smart. In fact, I think those that are complaining are ridiculous.
None of that has anything to do with my comments on Hanagriff.
Mickey is being a little bitch and trying to call me out in multiple threads because I pointed out that Hannagriff's statements on Friday that had everyone's attention do not match up with his name on Monday.
So, I've asked him to logically explain how it matches up. We'll see if he dares answer.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:28 pm to moneyg
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Oh, Hannagriff said it? Well why didn't you say so. That totally proves that my assumption that Hannagriff is lying was wrong.
Give me a reasonable answer to the following question that you/Hannagriff set as the premise for questioning Smart in the first place.
If the issue is whether or not Smart is a figurehead under Saban...how does looking at his resume change that given that he's coached under Saban for the very large majority of his career?
If the issue is whether or not Smart is a figurehead under Saban...how does recognizing Alabama's ranking on Defense (which was self evident and known by everyone) calm those fears?
Can you answer those questions?
Quite simple. Ignore that he's working under Saban and simply look at the rankings of the Defenses since he's been the Defensive Coordinator.
You know how ESPN sometimes does "blind resumes" when comparing two people or two teams? All you see is records and rankings. Do that with Smart and anyone who has issues with him working under Saban wouldn't care in that case.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:30 pm to moneyg
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Mickey is being a little bitch and trying to call me out in multiple threads because I pointed out that Hannagriff's statements on Friday that had everyone's attention do not match up with his name on Monday.
So, I've asked him to logically explain how it matches up. We'll see if he dares answer.
It matches whether you want to agree with him on the point or not. I actually agree with you on the ability of Kirby Smart. I think he would be a great hire here.
Our disagreement is based on you think Hannagriff is lying and I don't. Also you greatly misjudged the LSU fanbase's reaction on Smart.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:34 pm to moneyg
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LSU fans will never 100% agree with any hire short of Lombardi
Incorrect. Do not want.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:35 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Our disagreement is based on you think Hannagriff is lying and I don't
No, our disagreement is on whether what he said matches up with the name.
I said ealier that either he is lying or he did a horrible job of describing Smart.
You have taken the stance that it completely matches up.
So again, can you answer those questions I posed above? They were not rhetorical. I'd like to see you answer.
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Also you greatly misjudged the LSU fanbase's reaction on Smart
You are very wrong. And, if Smart is hired, it's going to be embarrassing for you.
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:41 pm to moneyg
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You are very wrong. And, if Smart is hired, it's going to be embarrassing for you.
Dude look through the threads RIGHT NOW. There is far more negative posts about him than positive. And I won't be embarrassed at all. I would actually love the hire. I've already been proven right though that there are more people complaining about him than wanting to get him.
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f the issue is whether or not Smart is a figurehead under Saban...how does looking at his resume change that given that he's coached under Saban for the very large majority of his career?
If the issue is whether or not Smart is a figurehead under Saban...how does recognizing Alabama's ranking on Defense (which was self evident and known by everyone) calm those fears?
I've already answered your questions. Ignore the bolded part. I'm not saying it will calm everyone's fears if you do that, because in reality you can't ignore that. The fact is Smart has been the coordinator over some very good defenses and Hannagriff wanted people to remember that over solely focusing on the fact that Saban was there as well.
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 1/13/15 at 1:48 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Dude look through the threads RIGHT NOW. There is far more negative posts about him than positive. And I won't be embarrassed at all. I would actually love the hire. I've already been proven right though that there are more people complaining about him than wanting to get him.
No. If he is hired, the consensus will be that it is a very good hire. Don't know if we will ever see that (I don't think we will). But, if we do, I'll be sure to point it out to you.
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I've already answered your questions. Ignore the bolded part. I'm not saying it will calm everyone's fears if you do that, because in reality you can't ignore that. The fact is Smart has been the coordinator over some very good defenses and Hannagriff wanted people to remember that over solely focusing on the fact that Saban was there as well.
You didn't answer the question. Charlie said "Look past the name". It is now being explained away as relating to Smart being a figurehead. What the hell was Charlie talking about "looking at the resume", or even "product on the field" that would address that he is a figurehead?
It doesn't add up. It's clear that it doesn't add up to anyone who is honest.
Either Hannagriff is lying or he did an absolute terrible job describing Smart.
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