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What did Michigan do wrong with Rich Rod?
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:36 pm
I'm having a hard time understanding how it didn't work out there. He is clearly an awesome coach. Did he just need more time? Seems like he turned Arizona around quickly. Did he not have some resource that he is usually given?
Most importantly, how do we know anyone can be successful there after that?
Most importantly, how do we know anyone can be successful there after that?
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 2:37 pm
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Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:38 pm to SwaggerCopter
He didn't have the personnel to run his offense and he wasn't a Meeeeechigan man.
ETA: At least that is how I remember it.
ETA: At least that is how I remember it.
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:39 pm to SwaggerCopter
Rich Rod needed time to develop Denard Robinson into a QB to fit his system. Denard improved the year after Rich Rod was fired. Michigan pulled the fire trigger too early IMHO.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:39 pm to SwaggerCopter
One theory is he didn't have D coordinator Casteel, although there are one or two guys on here who think Casteel and/or that system suck, too.
Another is that Michigan administrative people undermined him, which has some truth, but I don't think affected his performance on the field all that much.
Another is that his offensive style doesn't work in the B1G for whatever reason, which I'm not sure how I feel about. There are spreads and then there are spreads.
I also think he would have done well in 2011 with that soft schedule and posted at least 9-3.
Another is that Michigan administrative people undermined him, which has some truth, but I don't think affected his performance on the field all that much.
Another is that his offensive style doesn't work in the B1G for whatever reason, which I'm not sure how I feel about. There are spreads and then there are spreads.
I also think he would have done well in 2011 with that soft schedule and posted at least 9-3.
This post was edited on 12/4/14 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:39 pm to dante
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he wasn't a Meeeeechigan man.
Yep.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:40 pm to SwaggerCopter
He was like 3-21 in conference games or something like that. He had plenty of time. He never got along with boosters and alumni and he came in saying he was gonna run things his way and he didn't care about the past and the Michigan way.
When he went to Arizona he went as a humbled man seeking a new opportunity and Arizona had hardly any football tradition to have hanging over him.
When he went to Arizona he went as a humbled man seeking a new opportunity and Arizona had hardly any football tradition to have hanging over him.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:40 pm to SwaggerCopter
Needed the players to fit the system but wasn't given time to get them.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:41 pm to SwaggerCopter
0-6 against OSU and MSU. Throw in a 3-9 season and there isn't much to say.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:42 pm to SwaggerCopter
He needed more time.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:43 pm to LaBR4
Maybe he could have used more time, but his absolute stubbornness about what he wanted to run on the defensive side of the ball really hurt him.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:46 pm to LaBR4
There isnt a single university in the country that would have given him more time. He had a .33 winning percentage in conference, and was 0-6 vs the rivals. His defenses got worse every year, and his offense was shut down by any legit D.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:49 pm to SwaggerCopter
Michigan was much more of a dumpster fire when RR arrived than many people choose to believe. They lacked talent on both sides of the ball and brought in a coach with a system that was a complete 180 from what they ever had.
RR installed his offense but never got the defense up to par. It may have been a different story had Casteel joined him at UM like he did in Arizona.
There is also the "shadow" regime up there apparently which has its hands in everything UM football related and apparently many of them did not like RR because he was not a "Michigan man." I have no doubt that if RR were still the HC of Michigan, they would certainly be in the hunt right there with Ohio State.
RR installed his offense but never got the defense up to par. It may have been a different story had Casteel joined him at UM like he did in Arizona.
There is also the "shadow" regime up there apparently which has its hands in everything UM football related and apparently many of them did not like RR because he was not a "Michigan man." I have no doubt that if RR were still the HC of Michigan, they would certainly be in the hunt right there with Ohio State.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:54 pm to TreyAnastasio
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There isnt a single university in the country that would have given him more time. He had a .33 winning percentage in conference, and was 0-6 vs the rivals. His defenses got worse every year, and his offense was shut down by any legit D.
This is true. It's just a really weird situation. The pressure to win quickly is just incredible now. Alex Ferguson is the most successful soccer coach ever, and he struggled for years at United before turning it around. He is open that he would have never lasted that long in today's world.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:55 pm to SwaggerCopter
Pressure isn't his thing.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:55 pm to SwaggerCopter
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This is true. It's just a really weird situation. The pressure to win quickly is just incredible now.
People just choose to ignore the situation that led to the previous HC getting fired when a school brings in a new coach who doesn't immediately succeed.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:56 pm to SwaggerCopter
Texas am should have opened the checkbook for Rich Rod.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:57 pm to DBU
Previous head coach didnt get fired
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:57 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Previous head coach didnt get fired
But he should have.
Posted on 12/4/14 at 2:58 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Previous head coach didnt get fired
You're right, he "resigned."
Posted on 12/4/14 at 3:00 pm to DBU
No, he retired. Lloyd could still be the coach if he wanted to.
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