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re: If you gave me a choice between Chavis/Haley or Steele/Orgeron
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:13 am to S
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:13 am to S
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Chavis D with subpar talent = long days at office
My opinion also.
He looks great with NFL talent all over the field. Who wouldn't?
Look at the 2011 depth chart on D. Its ridiculous
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Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:21 am to tmc94
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. And you've replaced them with a guy that's been fired from a similar position 3 times and a guy that was collecting unemployment checks for the last year.
we may have a guy that has been fired a few times but coach O most certainly wasn't collecting unemployment checks. you obviously don't know the story on why he wasn't coaching and have no clue as to his financial status. usc has been paying him lots of money.
you aggy's really should wait awhile before shoving chavis in our face. y'all always seem to make fools of yourselves predicting future events. for some strange reason you keep coming back for more.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:41 am to Brageous
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Chavis will be the death of Aggies. His style is not a good fit for fast paced offenses. Once again little brother, yall will get schooled.
In 2009, LSU's TOP ranked 109. Chavis's defense ranked 26th in total defense, and 11th in scoring defense. I'd be cool with that.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:49 am to Roger Klarvin
Before this year I never in my wildest dreams thought I would have to say this to an A&M fan but:
Chavis is the most overrated coach in Rant history.
You clearly do not watch LSU football (though you sure as hell love to post about it). Our defense has been on the decline for the last two years. In fact, our defense was the hole in our team in 2013.
How quickly you idiots forget.
Chavis is the most overrated coach in Rant history.
You clearly do not watch LSU football (though you sure as hell love to post about it). Our defense has been on the decline for the last two years. In fact, our defense was the hole in our team in 2013.
How quickly you idiots forget.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:55 am to Jones
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He looks great with NFL talent all over the field. Who wouldn't?
The LSU offense? I mean, w/ Mettenberger/Hill/Landry/Beckham in 2013, your scoring offense STILL only finished 23rd in the nation. Your total offense was 35th. You had the talent to be much, much better.
But on the other side of the ball, 2013 is near-universally acclaimed as the least-talented of Chavis's defenses, but his unit STILL finished 21st in scoring defense, and 15th in total defense. And it wasn't because you were killing the clock, because your TOP was just 57th.
Coaching matters. Maybe Steele will be a great coach; there's some evidence that he will. But there's no guarantee.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 10:58 am to Tigerdev
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You clearly do not watch LSU football (though you sure as hell love to post about it). Our defense has been on the decline for the last two years. In fact, our defense was the hole in our team in 2013.
Your 2013 defense was better than your 2013 offense. You're just so accustomed to terrible offense that merely being pretty good seems amazing. And you're so used to fabulous defenses that just a tiny bit of slippage from top 5 to top 15 has you pulling out your hair.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:01 am to Tigerdev
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our defense was the hole in our team in 2013.
I forgot about the scoring defense in 2013 - 109 points given up in just the 3 losses.
We only gave up 137 points in all of 2011 -until the Mulligan(tm).
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:11 am to Mirthomatic
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The LSU offense? I mean, w/ Mettenberger/Hill/Landry/Beckham in 2013, your scoring offense STILL only finished 23rd in the nation. Your total offense was 35th
Does Chavis coach the offense? No.
And those skill position slots were filled with NFL talent, but our line wasn't. Our line got manhandled and resulted in Mett getting hurt. Do you remember Mettenberger getting killed at the end of the season and crawling off the field while his line sat there not helping? No, you didn't because you barely watched our games.
We know the coach you got because we've watched every second of every game for years. The guy is good but I wouldn't call him great. If y'all don't have NFL talent littered on the D side of the ball, he isn't going to magically make yalls D all pro.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:15 am to Mirthomatic
Actually, the difference is that I watch every LSU game and you only see the stats. Our defensive stats will always be a bit inflated because of our ball control style of offense which reduces the total possessions for both teams. I watch the games and in the last two years our defense had some god-awful showings and always seemed to fold when it counted (except against Ole Miss..but Bo....lol)
Watch the games. Understand the impact of running of a ball-control offense on the defensive stats.
Your theories would great in a fantasy football league but anyone with a clue about football would tell you that our defense was not elite for the last two years. This year's Auburn and Miss state games should be nice exhibits for you. Also, see the fourth quarter breakdowns vs Florida and Alabama.
I am not saying Chavis is a bad coordinator. He is solid. I am saying that he is not NEARLY the savior to A&M or the loss to LSU that you fricktards seem to believe.
Watch the games. Understand the impact of running of a ball-control offense on the defensive stats.
Your theories would great in a fantasy football league but anyone with a clue about football would tell you that our defense was not elite for the last two years. This year's Auburn and Miss state games should be nice exhibits for you. Also, see the fourth quarter breakdowns vs Florida and Alabama.
I am not saying Chavis is a bad coordinator. He is solid. I am saying that he is not NEARLY the savior to A&M or the loss to LSU that you fricktards seem to believe.
This post was edited on 1/15/15 at 11:16 am
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:18 am to Tigerdev
For real. Did they not see our defense get completely worked multiple times this year?
And we have more talent on that side of the ball
And we have more talent on that side of the ball
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:21 am to L.A.
I would just like to see them recruit real defensive ends (think Melvin Oliver, Sam Montgomery, Tyson Jackson) instead of using beefed up outside linebackers, and real outside linebackers instead of beefed up safeties.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:23 am to Jones
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Does Chavis coach the offense? No.
I'm saying that the performance of your offenses, despite historically having a ton of talent, haven't come close to the quality of your defenses. The two units have been essentially the same as far as talent goes. So why the difference? Because Chavis does a much better coaching job than your OCs. But here's the thing: there is nothing about defenses that make them inherently "easier to coach" than offenses. The fact that Chavis got a lot out of his defenses, doesn't guarantee that Steele will be able to do the same.
Look, I'm overstating things a bit saying the 2013 defense was better than the 2013 offense. But the fact that I can even make an argument that the WORST Chavis defense was comparable to the BEST LSU offense speaks volumes.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:27 am to Mirthomatic
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The two units have been essentially the same as far as talent goes.
Stopped here.
Have you seen our QB situation, minus one year, the past 7 or so years?
We have talent on both sides of the ball but our qb play, outside of mett's last year, has been abysmal
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:27 am to Will2nd
chavis/O in that case
i was dreaming of clancy/O, but alas
eta- dont get me wrong chavis is a great hire for a&m, especially on paper and especially over snyder.
but he's not just going to flip a switch and turn them around. LSU returned some decent talent in 2009, 2008 was not devoid of talent, just coaching. also had guys like brandon taylor and harry coleman who had the versatility to play in those hybrid roles. brought in a class that included mingo, montgomery and brockers which were the anchors of that great 2011 defensive line and chavis really needs a great front four to get the most out of his defense. TAMU has garrett and a bunch of scrubs(mack is a must-get) he doesn't run one of these exotic gregg williams high-blitzing schemes that can disguise talent (and simultanesouly expose that talent if things backfire) but you need great talent to make it work. 2 or 3 years from now i can see them being where they need to be.
i was dreaming of clancy/O, but alas
eta- dont get me wrong chavis is a great hire for a&m, especially on paper and especially over snyder.
but he's not just going to flip a switch and turn them around. LSU returned some decent talent in 2009, 2008 was not devoid of talent, just coaching. also had guys like brandon taylor and harry coleman who had the versatility to play in those hybrid roles. brought in a class that included mingo, montgomery and brockers which were the anchors of that great 2011 defensive line and chavis really needs a great front four to get the most out of his defense. TAMU has garrett and a bunch of scrubs(mack is a must-get) he doesn't run one of these exotic gregg williams high-blitzing schemes that can disguise talent (and simultanesouly expose that talent if things backfire) but you need great talent to make it work. 2 or 3 years from now i can see them being where they need to be.
This post was edited on 1/15/15 at 11:36 am
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:32 am to Mirthomatic
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But the fact that I can even make an argument that the WORST Chavis defense was comparable to the BEST LSU offense speaks volumes.
You need to do more research about Chavis' WORST defenses. Try 2004 #66, 2006 #45, and the big one.......2007 #99 Of course those perforformamces were at TN, so yall should be good
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:33 am to Mirthomatic
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2012 lost to Bama 21-17... and you assign all blame to the defense, none to the offense.
2013 lost to Bama 38-17... and you assign all blame to the defense, none to the offense.
2014 lost to Bama 20-13 in OT... and you assign all blame to the defense, none to the offense.
You have become so accustomed to great defense, that you just assume that's how it's supposed to be. I mean, you held Bama to 13 points in regulation in 2014. No other team Bama faced was that effective. And yet you STILL say that was a game in which the D "shite the bed".
Conversely, you've become so accustomed to BAD offense, that you essentially give it a pass. Your offense averaged 15.7 points per game against Bama. Bama hasn't scored less than 17 points in any game the past three seasons. 15.7 ppg just isn't going to cut it against them.
Yes, the Defense let you down in 2013, but it was the only reason you were in the other two games.
Maybe go back and look at the 2012 and 2014 box scores. LSU dominated TOP in both games. So it's not like the D should have been gassed.
Both years LSU held the lead late in the game. Both years the D gave up big plays to allow Bama to win or tie.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:37 am to Tigerdev
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Actually, the difference is that I watch every LSU game and you only see the stats. Our defensive stats will always be a bit inflated because of our ball control style of offense which reduces the total possessions for both teams.
Your TOP offense is a largely a myth. Here are your TOP rankings throughout the Chavis era:
2009 - 107th
2010 - 57th
2011 - 26th
2012 - 46th
2013 - 57th
2014 - 9th
Overall you've been a middle of the pack TOP team, average rank of 50th, and you often owe even that measure of success to Chavis's defenses getting off the field. Not LSU's offenses keeping the ball. For example, in the best year for the defense, 2011, LSU's offense was 50th in rushing yards, and 60th in 3rd down conversion %.
But even with the fluctuating TOP rankings, Chavis's defenses have performed. In 2009, when you were 107th in TOP, Chavis's defense finished 26th in total defense, and 11th in scoring defense.
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Your theories would great in a fantasy football league but anyone with a clue about football would tell you that our defense was not elite for the last two years. This year's Auburn and Miss state games should be nice exhibits for you.
LSU's defense wasn't elite because of the Auburn and MSU games? Fine, then by the same logic, Bama's defense this year wasn't elite because of Auburn (44 points surrendered) and OSU (42 points surrendered). And Ole Miss's defense wasn't elite because of Auburn (35) Arky (30) and TCU (42). You can cherry-pick individual games where the defense let you down, but you can do that with literally every unit on every team.
The fact of the matter is that it was the defense lead by Chavis that deserves the lion's share of the credit for LSU's success these past six years.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:41 am to Mirthomatic
neither LSU, bama or OM had 'elite' defenses last year baw
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:43 am to Jones
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Stopped here.
Have you seen our QB situation, minus one year, the past 7 or so years?
We have talent on both sides of the ball but our qb play, outside of mett's last year, has been abysmal
Do you not have QB talent in Louisiana? Or do those QBs largely decline to play for an offense that makes little (and often ineffective) use of the position. To his credit, Miles has begun opening things up more, and Cameron was a good hire.
Posted on 1/15/15 at 11:46 am to Mirthomatic
You are too obsessed with stats to have a football conversation with. Have fun playing fantasy football NCAA edition, I guess.
Watch the games. Watch the games. Watch the games.
The issue here is that you have a belief not an idea. Your belief is that Chavis is an elite coordinator. I think that Chavis is a good coordinator.
LSU's defense was good before 2009 and will be good after 2014. The aggie defense will not be elite next year and unless they change their recruiting and philosophy (score as many points as possible as fast as possible) Chavis will not have the results there that he had at LSU.
Sorry?
Watch the games. Watch the games. Watch the games.
The issue here is that you have a belief not an idea. Your belief is that Chavis is an elite coordinator. I think that Chavis is a good coordinator.
LSU's defense was good before 2009 and will be good after 2014. The aggie defense will not be elite next year and unless they change their recruiting and philosophy (score as many points as possible as fast as possible) Chavis will not have the results there that he had at LSU.
Sorry?
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