re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

On my reread of AFFC and ADWD focusing on one storyline at a time, on the North storyline (Sam/Jon/Bran), just read the following that takes on a whole different meaning now:

"Even after stumbling into his narrow bed, rest had not come easily. He knew what he would face today, and found himself tossing restlessly as he brooded on Maester Aemon's final words. 'Allow me to give my lord one last piece of counsel', the old man said, 'the same counsel that I once gave my brother when we parted for the last time. He was three-and-thirty when the Great Council chose him to mount the Iron Throne. A man grown with sons of his own, yet in some ways still a boy. Egg had an innocence to him, a sweetness that we all loved. Kill the boy within you, I told him the day I took ship for the Wall. 'It takes a man to rule. An Aegon, not an Egg. Kill the boy and let the man be born.' The old man felt Jon's face. 'You are half the age that Egg was, and your own burden is a crueler one, I fear. You will have little joy of your command, but I think that you have the strength in you to do the things that must be done. Kill the boy, Jon Snow. Winter is almost upon us. Kill the boy and let the man be born'."

Just prior to this, Sam was bringing Jon two books as requested by Maester Aemon. One was "Dragonkin, Being a History of House Targaryen from Exile to Apotheosis, with a Consideration of the Life and Death of Dragons".

These two things actually are presented separately, one in Sam's POV in AFFC and the other from Jon's POV of the exact same encounter in ADWD. When read together, two things jump out. One, before he departs to catch a ship to LEAVE the Wall, he gives Jon the exact same advice that he gives Aegon before he departs to board a ship TO the Wall and leaves him with a book on the Targaryen family tree. I have promised to not refer to Jon as Aegon anymore, so I'll just leave that to y'all.

Also, the "kill the boy and let the man be reborn" line will happen quite literally. Jon the man is alive and well and will be ready to wreck some shite in TWOW.

I love the Great Northern Conspiracy.

TWoW & ADoS are gonna be ASoS on steroids .

Most of what this guy is saying is in line with most of my theories as well. Very well written, thanks for posting!

One thing that can't be stressed enough is that the impression that Martin will kill any main character at any point is patently false, and this writer does a good of pointing that out. Ned's death was necessary, particularly if the main character is actually Jon. Now, it may appear that he will kill anyone at anytime. After Ned, he hit us with the following:

Arya takes an axe to the back of the head! (oh wait, it was the flat of the axe, she's ok!)

Robb is killed at the RW! (as this writer points out, Robb never even had a single POV chapter)

Catelyn is killed at the RW! (now she's back as Lady Stoneheart)

Bran and Rickon were killed by Theon. (No, these were fakes. Bran and Rickon are still around)

Crap, now they've murdered, Jon! (and ADWD OPENS with Varmyr Sixskins and how Wargs can cheat death, mentions how well Melisandre can perform glamors, gives examples of red priests bringing people back from the dead, and basically gives us numerous options for how Jon can come back, if he even died in the first place).

So, assuming that Jon is back, Ned and Robb are really the only two major protagonists that have truly been killed off. The bad guys are going to die, so they don't count, bet hell, even the Cleganes are still around after we thought they were done.

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remembering how he had thrown down her father for Ser Ilyn to behead, wishing she could hurt him, wishing that some hero would throw him down and cut off his head.

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I just started my third reread of the series and couldn't help but smile knowing what ended up happening.

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The Grand Northern Conspiracy

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Thank you so much for posting this Azello. Those excerpts are so spot on and relevant especially Part 2.

I had forgotten tons of those details, specifically about Lady Stoneheart, and don't think I even realized on my reads that Tom O Seven was her spy by what he overheard and then those people subsequently being captured and killed. And Stoneheart then holding Robb's crown just confirms it all.

Very very well done. This even gives me hope that Jamie and Brienne may not be in as dire a situation as I feared if there is indeed some humanity and strategy to what Un-Cat is doing.

Her delivering Robb's decree to Jon Snow would be a beautiful connection of both of their arcs, and in a way, Ned's and Robb's.

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Kill the boy, Jon Snow. Winter is almost upon us. Kill the boy and let the man be born'."

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And thank you for posting this ffish. Excellent foreshadowing of what we all hope was set up in the final pages of ADWD.

After reading the Grand Northern Conspiracy, I really hope that we see Greywater Watch and some Cajuns, er, I mean Crannogmen and alligators (lizard lions)wreaking havoc on Freys and Boltons.

Naw, its build on the back of a giant turtle.

I always assumed GW was built on floating marsh or some such, but somewhere I read it is a raft up of lashed together floating structures......

I'll try to locate that discussion again.

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Then again, I love the revenge angle and the idea that Manderly's dinner is just the first course.

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Me too. It allows for the plot to be ramped up in a manner we haven't seen in the the entire series to date.