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re: How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Posted by Revelator on 7/26 at 4:31 am
[quote]of any major spiritual group in America.[/quote] How can one categorize atheists as a [b]spiritual[/b] group? And; [quote]There were always a lot of problems with that information: The percentages did not take into account prisoners whose religious affiliations were unknown o...

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re: Personally, why do you hate the Jews?
Posted by Revelator on 7/26 at 12:58 am
[quote]OK, I don't hate the Jews anymore. Without them I would be condemned to hell. Should we replace the saying "Thank you Jesus" with "Thank you Jews"? [/quote] Jesus was Jewish so that's redundant. ...

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re: How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 11:20 pm
[quote]So tens of thousands of good Christians are wrongfully imprisoned.[/quote] No, thousands who either say they are Christian but aren't are deceived or liars. Tell me you haven't seen numerous mothers say my boy is a good boy after being convicted of murder? Are they really good simply beca...

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re: How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 11:12 pm
[quote]It doesn't matter if you choose to believe it or not it's a fact: [/quote] It would only be fact if one could believe the answers to be truthful. I'll ask you this again. Almost everyone to a man in jail says he is innocent, are they? And should we use the percentage of those saying they...

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re: How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 11:07 pm
[quote]I'll rephrase is it a conservative vs liberal thing? [/quote] No. It's just an observation that there is an unbalanced playing field if one chooses to live his life and run his business with moral ethics if those around him do not. ...

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re: How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 11:00 pm
[quote]One mans view of moral is another persons sin[/quote] So there are no universal moral standards? ...

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re: How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 10:59 pm
[quote]That's fine, but you still have to explain all the people who openly reject religion behaving better than those who do as a whole. [/quote] I don't have to explain it, because I don't believe this to be true. ...

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re: How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 10:58 pm
[quote]are you setting up some conservative vs democrat thing? [/quote] No because there are some conservative Democrats and many liberal Republicans. ...

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re: Will Obama grant de facto amnesty to 5 million people?
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 10:57 pm
[quote]I wouldn't be surprised if he does. He is going to do whatever he can to frick this country even more before he leaves office. [/quote] This. If he doesn't do this now, he will before leaving office. ...

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re: How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 10:53 pm
[quote]The majority of the offenses you read about in the paper in America, especially the violent ones, are committed by minority men who claim some form of non-Catholic Christianity. To what extent they actually believe in irrelevant in this context.[/quote] I reject it because I don't believ...

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re: How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 10:50 pm
[quote]Christians, as a percentage of their population, commit crimes at a higher percentage than those who claim no specific religion or reject belief outright. The least incarcerated people in America as a percentage of their population: White women who don't claim any religion (not necessarily ...

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re: How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 10:47 pm
[quote]Easy. Live your life the way you choose and leave everyone else the hell alone. Your morals are yours alone. [/quote] Simplistic fantasy. My morals or immoral behaviors affects society as a whole and so does the actions of those around me. Fraud in insurance makes my insurance rates rise...

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re: How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 10:43 pm
[quote]Because by definition they don't believe in an afterlife, yet obey the law at a far greater rate than those who claim religion do.[/quote] What?????...

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re: How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 10:42 pm
[quote]Moreover, millions of people are wonderfully moral (even by your standards of morality) yet reject Christianity or God altogether. How do you example all the moral people who believe they will face no judgement but are moral anyway? Are they not more genuine than those who fear punishment?[/q...

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re: How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 10:23 pm
[quote]You have three times in this thread stated that morality in circling the drain because people don't believe in punishment after death.[/quote] And on the whole, I do. How does this preclude some non believers from being moral?...

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re: How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 10:21 pm
[quote]This has literally nothing to do with the post I was responding to. You said that people are immoral because they don't believe they will face judgement after death. This is demonstrably false.[/quote] It does have bearing on the thread because I think that a person who believes every ...

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re: How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 10:19 pm
[quote]But see, you've now rendered your own premise moot. If most of the people claiming your moral system ignore it, and violate social norms at a far greater rate than those who reject your moral system, then your original post is utterly meaningless. [/quote] But I do believe that one who t...

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re: How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 10:11 pm
[quote]This notion that morality doesn't exist outside Judeo-Christian teachings is full blown retarded and more than a little insulting.[/quote] I never said it didn't. ...

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re: How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 10:09 pm
[quote]Bull. shite.[/quote] So two individuals are questioned about their involvement in a crime and both are guilty. The first is shown a video of himself committing the act, the second is not. Which is more likely to come clean? ...

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re: How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 10:06 pm
[quote]Sounds like most Southern Baptist sermons I had to endure growing up. The sanctimony has always amazed me. If you're not a "good" church going Christian then you must be an immoral dirtbag. [/quote] It ls true that a non believer can be moral in business and life, but it is also true that...

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re: How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 10:02 pm
[quote]nd before you start in with the "But they aren't REAL Christians" spiel, please remember that that is irrelevant in the context of this thread[/quote] For the sake of this discussion, it doesn't matter what label is affixed to those who don't believe in selling out their morals to achiev...

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re: How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 9:59 pm
[quote]Who exactly are you referring to? Why are you being so vague? Call someone out if that's what you are attempting and don't be a pussy about it Rev[/quote] How is this vague? One group is willing to lie, cheat and steal as long as their goals are achieved, and the other group won't beca...

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How can people with morals survive in an immoral world?
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 9:23 pm
How can there be any real dialogue or progress in this country when there is a group that believes in some moral standards( Ten Commandments), believes in an after life and a final judgment, where one has to give an account for his actions, and this group must deal with another group that not only d...

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re: Faith in "Science" = "man made religion" (Evolution related)
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 7:24 pm
[quote]Yes, abiogenesis is a very plausible explanation whose mechanism has been demonstrated multiple times with multiple different controls in the lab. That doesn't mean we have nearly the extensive evidence for origins that we do for evolution (which is considered undisputed in principle in the...

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re: Faith in "Science" = "man made religion" (Evolution related)
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 7:02 pm
[quote]Do you realize that MANY people, believers and non-believers alike, accept evolution but reject abiogenesis?[/quote] Can science really explain the origins of life? I'd like to hear it? ...

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re: Personally, why do you hate the Jews?
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 5:03 pm
There is a spiritual reason for the hatred and Israel's prominence for such a small country. [b]Zechariah 12:2 [/b]Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah [and] against Jerusalem. [b]3[/b] And in that...

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re: States Rights and Freedom of Religion
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 4:44 pm
[quote]I counter that with this, do you know the ten commandments are not the same in most Judea-christian faiths? the Jewish ten commandment are different than the catholic, are different than the ones in the King James Bible. [/quote] Yes I know this. The Catholics actually split one commandm...

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re: Question about The Karate Kid
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 3:21 am
[quote]The entire movie Johnny bullies and beats up on Daniel with no mercy. Seems he doesn't give a shite about hurting him at all. Then in the tournament when his sensei says "Sweep the leg" he acts horrified. Why was it such a big deal to "sweep the leg" on someone that he hated?[/quote] Yep...

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re: Vikins season 2
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 3:15 am
I think it's a solid show and the wife and I enjoy it. I preferred the first season though. ...

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re: "we are coming for you Obama!" ISIL makes pledge
Posted by Revelator on 7/25 at 2:06 am
I don't think any member of ISIL would dare cross one of Obama's red lines. ...

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