ULL realizing it is on a sinking ship
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Posted by ptra on 2/27 at 4:29 pm to CajunFootball
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If you're ULL would you rather be in D1 where there is no chance of making the playoffs under the current(new) system, or moving down to D2 where you can actually make the playoffs and be a relevant team?



You can make that comment about every team that does not belong to a major conference and quite a few teams that belong to major conferences,.



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Posted by CajunFootball on 2/27 at 4:31 pm to oldcharlie8
I understand that perfectly. Would you rather a stadium full of people, or no one? Obviously the first one makes more sense. I just think long term the FCS looks better to ULL then the FBS with the playoff system. Would I like to see ULL in the B12? Yeah I would. Do I think it's going to happen? Not a chance.


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Posted by oldcharlie8 on 2/27 at 4:35 pm to CajunFootball
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I just think long term the FCS looks better to ULL then the FBS with the playoff system.


you're right. the only way that the fbs playoff would look "good" to smaller conferences is if they did a 16 team playoff in which the conf. champ could get an auto bid like basketball/baseball.




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Posted by CajunFootball on 2/27 at 4:38 pm to oldcharlie8
16 teams is too many and the big conferences wouldn't allow it. I think in the future we will see more teams possibly transition "down" with hopes of saving money, and winning championships to get recruits on campus. Like someone else said it'll be FBS-A and FBS-AA. ULL moving to FBS-AA to compete with other teams similar to those in the Big East.


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Posted by oldcharlie8 on 2/27 at 4:44 pm to CajunFootball
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16 teams is too many and the big conferences wouldn't allow it.


the ONLY way that a playoff would be legit is to have 12 conference champs and 4 at large bids.

this way EVERY game counts during the season. for example:

you know that you have 2 ways to get in. one is to win the ccg and the other is to get an at large.

so, when LSU is playing Mcneese in week 2, it counts because if Mcneese pulls an appalachain st. on them, then there is absolutely no way to get the at large. however, season is not over as you have a chance to get into the ccg alah baseball/basketball.


also, you can keep the current bcs because that system can choose the four at large bids. the top four teams (minus the conference champs) get the at large using the bcs formula.

i know that it's a pipe dream but it's the only way it would be legit.




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Posted by Dr RC on 2/27 at 4:44 pm to CajunFootball
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16 teams is too many and the big conferences wouldn't allow it.


its not really that big considering there will soon be over 130 FBS schools.

plus I think many BCS conference schools would jump at the chance to host the early rounds.





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Posted by CajunFootball on 2/27 at 4:47 pm to Dr RC
Too many games for college. That's why it'll be kept down.


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Posted by Dr RC on 2/27 at 4:47 pm to oldcharlie8
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the ONLY way that a playoff would be legit is to have 12 conference champs and 4 at large bids.


You dont even have to give every conference champ an auto in.

D3, for example, has 3 pools

pool A is big time conference winners with auto bids. Say you give that to 6 conferences.

pool B is the best of the small conferences and independents. Give them 4 slots.

pool C is for the best of the rest. That leaves 6 at large bids.







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Posted by oldcharlie8 on 2/27 at 4:48 pm to Dr RC
and.....the plus one is such a fricking joke that it's funny.


ksu would have been fricked this year if it were in play.

also, do they not think that the top 8 teams in the country could possible have 1 loss? i assure you that it's more of a possibility than 4 underfeated's.

so, if top 8 had one loss, who in the hell would decide the top 4 teams unbiasely?


back to square one



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Posted by oldcharlie8 on 2/27 at 4:49 pm to Dr RC
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You dont even have to give every conference champ an auto in.

D3, for example, has 3 pools

pool A is big time conference winners with auto bids. Say you give that to 6 conferences.

pool B is the best of the small conferences and independents. Give them 4 slots.

pool C is for the best of the rest. That leaves 6 at large bids.


what determines the "best"?
if it's opinions, then it's flawed



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Posted by Dr RC on 2/27 at 4:52 pm to CajunFootball
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Too many games for college. That's why it'll be kept down.


and yet FCS schools can hack it every single year.

at most you would get 5 extra games in a given year with potential conference title games and a 16 team tourney with no byes.

thats just 2 more games than you play if you go all the way in FCS.

start the season earlier to get an extra bye week and spread the playoffs out during the current dead period and bowl season.




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Posted by TigerintheNO on 2/27 at 4:58 pm to CajunFootball
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Too many games for college. That's why it'll be kept down.


Bingo

A 16 team playoff with the current schedule format would mean the SEC/Pac12 champ would play 18 games in route to the national championship game. The pro players even balked at that.



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Posted by Dr RC on 2/27 at 4:59 pm to oldcharlie8
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what determines the "best"?
if it's opinions, then it's flawed



you are going to have to have "flawed opinions" determine the seeding so I see no issue with using them determine if the winner of the Sun Belt should get in over an independent like Army or not.

You could simply use the current BCS formula to rank them.

When you take at large team there will always be somebody who feels they were screwed. Too bad so sad.




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Posted by oldcharlie8 on 2/27 at 5:01 pm to Dr RC
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You could simply use the current BCS formula to rank them.


well d-3 doesn't use the bcs formula. so, what determines their "best" in order to get in each group?




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Posted by TigersSEC2010 on 2/27 at 5:01 pm to sgent3125
ULL would do good moving down. Hell, even dropping to D2 wouldn't be bad because they could kick arse there. After last night's showing vs. LSU, their baseball team looks like complete shite.


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Posted by Dr RC on 2/27 at 5:02 pm to TigerintheNO
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A 16 team playoff with the current schedule format would mean the SEC/Pac12 champ would play 18 games in route to the national championship game. The pro players even balked at that.


12 regular season games

1 conference title game

round 1 of 16

round 2 of 8

round 3 of 4

title game with last 2.

it would be 17 games max unless you play Hawaii and add a 13th regular season game.




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Posted by TigerintheNO on 2/27 at 5:04 pm to Dr RC
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it would be 17 games max


Ok either way college teams aren't playing 17 games, so its a non starter.



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Posted by Dr RC on 2/27 at 5:04 pm to oldcharlie8
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well d-3 doesn't use the bcs formula. so, what determines their "best" in order to get in each group?


dunno why you care b/c it wouldnt be the same formula

but here it is FYI
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1. How are the Division III football playoffs set up?

For 2012: Automatic bids to go the champions of 24 conferences.

There is one bid set aside solely for Pool B teams, that is, teams who are independents or in conferences without automatic bids.

The leftover Pool B teams get dumped into Pool C, and those teams get considered for the remaining seven bids.

What does this mean? Probably seven bids going to Pool C teams, although it's possible in some years the second-best Pool B team could get that final at-large bid.


3. How are the at-large bids determined?


These are the selection (and seeding) criteria:

The following primary criteria (not in priority order) will be reviewed:
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
- Opponents’ Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
- Opponents’ Opponents’ Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.

If the evaluation of the primary criteria does not result in a decision by the committee, the following secondary criteria (for ranking and selections) will be evaluated:
• Out-of region head-to-head competition.
• Overall Division III won-loss percentage.
• Results versus common non-Division III opponents.
• Results versus all Division III ranked teams.
• Overall win-loss percentage.
• Results versus all common opponents.
• Overall Division III strength of schedule
• Should a committee find that evaluation of a team’s win-loss percentage during the last 25 percent of the season is applicable (i.e., end of season performance), it may adopt such criteria with approval from the championships committee.

New for 2011: When all criteria are equal among teams with undefeated records in the primary criteria, the NCAA Division III Football Committee can use a team’s performance in the previous championship season as criterion.

Additionally, input is provided by regional advisory committees for consideration by the Division III football committee. In order to be considered for selection for Pools B or C, an institution must play at least 50 percent of its competition against Division III in-region opponents. Coaches’ polls and/or any other outside polls or rankings are not used as a selection criterion by the football committee for selection purposes.


LINK



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Posted by Dr RC on 2/27 at 5:07 pm to TigerintheNO
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Ok either way college teams aren't playing 17 games, so its a non starter.




yea right.

and at one point 68 teams in March Madness would have been a non starter.

then they saw how much money they could make and it expanded.





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Posted by ThisWayChad on 2/27 at 5:08 pm to oldcharlie8
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the ONLY way that a playoff would be legit is to have 12 conference champs and 4 at large bids.


so the Sun Belt champ gets an auto-bid every year.
































































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