Anthony Davis' PER
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Anthony Davis' PER
Posted by TigerinATL on 2/6 at 11:20 am
Rohan over at At The Hive compiled an interesting list of "every 20+ PER rookie [excluding a 31-year old Arvydas Sabonis :( ] of the last two decades."

Tim Duncan 22.6
Chris Paul 22.1
Blake Griffin 21.9
Chris Webber 21.7
Elton Brand 20.6
Yao Ming 20.6

Davis' current PER is 21.1
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Posted by Cap Crunch on 2/6 at 11:21 am to TigerinATL
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Blake Griffin 21.9

frick that guy



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Posted by quail man on 2/6 at 11:26 am to TigerinATL
pretty good company


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Posted by iliveinabox on 2/6 at 11:48 am to quail man
I guess that is good...


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Posted by LSU Piston on 2/6 at 12:25 pm to iliveinabox
Hate to be 'that guy,' but Andre Drummond's is 22.66. He's missing from the list.

Drummond


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Posted by TigerinATL on 2/6 at 12:28 pm to LSU Piston
Drummond is getting his high PER coming off the bench going against 2nd units. Davis and everyone else on the all time list started as rookies.


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Posted by apfour21 on 2/6 at 12:37 pm to Cap Crunch
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Blake Griffin 21.9

frick that guy

I second this.



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Posted by eyeran on 2/6 at 2:06 pm to LSU Piston
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Hate to be 'that guy,' but Andre Drummond's is 22.66. He's missing from the list.
No doubt Drummond has been great. Davis' biggest limitation right now is Drummond's biggest strength... he's a GROWN MAN.

He's physically better than 95% percent of the guys he faces. Davis will never have Drummond's body, but as he gets stronger he'll go from really good rookie to potentially great. Monty's said it, and its clear when you watch him, but Davis gets pushed around a lot. That's not a problem for Drummond. Davis does has way more offensive game than Drummond,though.

Drummond also has no responsibilities on his team. He comes off the bench knowing he's only gonna play 20 minutes, and he plays with his hair on fire that entire time. Conserving energy and fouls are no concern for him. With that said, I like how they're using him as a rookie and its gonna be interesting to see how he develops.

His FT shooting is devastatingly bad, though. When the time comes for them to actually be ready to count on him to win games, he's gonna be useless down the stretch.



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Posted by LSU Piston on 2/6 at 2:09 pm to eyeran
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No doubt Drummond has been great. Davis' biggest limitation right now is Drummond's biggest strength... he's a GROWN MAN.

He's physically better than 95% percent of the guys he faces. Davis will never have Drummond's body, but as he gets stronger he'll go from really good rookie to potentially great. Monty's said it, and its clear when you watch him, but Davis gets pushed around a lot. That's not a problem for Drummond. Davis does has way more offensive game than Drummond,though.

Drummond also has no responsibilities on his team. He comes off the bench knowing he's only gonna play 20 minutes, and he plays with his hair on fire that entire time. Conserving energy and fouls are no concern for him. With that said, I like how they're using him as a rookie and its gonna be interesting to see how he develops.

His FT shooting is devastatingly bad, though. When the time comes for them to actually be ready to count on him to win games, he's gonna be useless down the stretch.


Nice post.

Really looking forward to the two Pistons/Hornets games over the next 4 weeks. I'll be at the NOA on March 1.



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Posted by Tayday on 2/6 at 4:40 pm to eyeran
Drummond does have a man's body, but have you seen him play? He rarely uses it like he should. He is as raw as a player gets.

AD's stroke will make him a way better player down the road.



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Posted by eyeran on 2/6 at 5:05 pm to Tayday
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Drummond does have a man's body, but have you seen him play? He rarely uses it like he should. He is as raw as a player gets.
What do you mean he rarely uses his body like he should?

I'd say the exact opposite. The only reason he's having any success is because he's throwing his body around.



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Posted by Tayday on 2/6 at 5:07 pm to eyeran
His post game is the most absurd thing in the NBA right now. He fades on funny looking jumpers.


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Posted by eyeran on 2/6 at 5:12 pm to Tayday
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His post game is the most absurd thing in the NBA right now. He fades on funny looking jumpers.
Thats exactly my point, his game is not developed at all.

But the guy went for 18/18 the other night with no post game to speak of. No face up jumper, nothing on the offensive end. He just bangs people around and bullies people in the paint.



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Posted by LSU Piston on 2/6 at 8:23 pm to eyeran
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Thats exactly my point, his game is not developed at all.


This.

His productivity is largely based on his insane athleticism. He has a bit of Blake Griffin in him, with the body of Dwight Howard. Very fun to watch. Already a premier shot blocker and rebounder. Never out of position, always 'at the right spot' on the floor.

But his offensive game is incredibly raw. No post game. No jump shot. Mostly alley-oops and putbacks at this time.




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Posted by Tayday on 2/7 at 9:06 am to LSU Piston
I agree with both of you, but do y'all think he will be a better player in the long run over AD?


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Posted by TigerinATL on 2/7 at 9:17 am to Tayday
Absolutely not. Drummond is a physical freak with no basketball skill. Bigs that can't shoot rarely turn it around so his ceiling is probably a Tyson Chandler top defensive center type of player.

Davis may not be as freakish but he's still a physical freak but he also has actual basketball skills both offensive and defensive that can be fine tuned over time. His ceiling is a Duncan/Garnett top 5 player in the league type.



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Posted by GynoSandberg on 2/7 at 9:17 am to Tayday
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but do y'all think he will be a better player in the long run over AD?


It's quite possible. Drummond could lead the league in blocks and rebounds as early as next season if he keeps progressing. Ben Wallace-esque.

Davis's offensive game is light years better, though. He's only going to get better.



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Posted by LSU Piston on 2/7 at 10:01 am to TigerinATL
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no basketball skill.





A lot of physical freaks in the NBA aren't even half as good as Drummond is today.

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Bigs that can't shoot rarely turn it around


Shaq, Wilt, Dwight Howard all say "What's up?"

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Davis may not be as freakish but he's still a physical freak but he also has actual basketball skills both offensive and defensive that can be fine tuned over time. His ceiling is a Duncan/Garnett top 5 player in the league type.


Agreed. Davis, no doubt, can attain Duncan/Garnett status. He's gonna be a superstar.



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Posted by LSU Piston on 2/7 at 10:02 am to GynoSandberg
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It's quite possible. Drummond could lead the league in blocks and rebounds as early as next season if he keeps progressing. Ben Wallace-esque.

Davis's offensive game is light years better, though. He's only going to get better.



Agree with this.



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Posted by TigerinATL on 2/7 at 10:22 am to LSU Piston
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Shaq, Wilt, Dwight Howard all say "What's up?"


Drummond's not even in the same conversation with those guys. Dwight Howard started in the NBA after coming straight out of high school, so his rookie year of 12/10 was Drummond's freshman year of college. In Dwight's 2nd year removed from High School he was averaging 16/12.

As a freshman at LSU Shaq only averaged 14/12, but in his 2nd year removed from high school he became dominant and averaged 27/15 and his rookie year in the league he averaged 23/14.

Drummond's 2nd year removed from high school he's not even starting and he's averaging 7/7. I'm not saying he's going to be a bad player, he may well end up being another Tyson Chandler, but if he was going to be a Super Star we'd know it already. The NBA has been following these guys since elementary school in many cases. They rarely miss on Super Stars.


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