Israel must withdraw all settlers from West Bank
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re: Israel must withdraw all settlers from West Bank
Posted by shinerfan on 1/31 at 2:43 pm to RollTide1987
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The Israelis won that land in a war they DID NOT start.




Israel attacked the Arabs in '67. You can make a reasonable claim they were justified but agressors always claim justification.


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Posted by USMC Gators on 1/31 at 2:43 pm to RollTide1987
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The Israelis won that land in a war they DID NOT start. And yet it's somehow under occupation? Wars have consequences. Don't start nothing, won't be nothing.




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Posted by trackfan on 1/31 at 2:46 pm to USMC Gators
If Israel is hellbent on keeping the West Bank, why don't they just offer the Palestinians citizensip?


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Posted by lsu13lsu on 1/31 at 2:53 pm to CarrolltonTiger
When do you think the U.N. will make the U.S. withdraw from the Southwest US because of violations against Mexicans?


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Posted by WildTchoupitoulas on 1/31 at 2:55 pm to RollTide1987
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The Israelis won that land in a war they DID NOT start. And yet it's somehow under occupation? Wars have consequences.

So you're saying we should've made West Germany and Japan the 51st and 52nd States?

Just because you occupy a belligerent nation doesn't mean you get to stay.



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Posted by lsu13lsu on 1/31 at 2:57 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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So you're saying we should've made West Germany and Japan the 51st and 52nd States?


I am sure we would have if they would have been next door.



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Posted by Jbird on 1/31 at 2:58 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
So which nation should they give these lands too?


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Posted by SammyTiger on 1/31 at 2:58 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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So you're saying we should've made West Germany and Japan the 51st and 52nd States?

Just because you occupy a belligerent nation doesn't mean you get to stay.


1. Im sure if either was immediately adjacent to us we would have moved in, or if France had done anything in the war they may have taken some land.

2. We took a lot of land from Spain and Mexico. and made it into a number of states.



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Posted by lsu13lsu on 1/31 at 3:02 pm to SammyTiger
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2. We took a lot of land from Spain and Mexico. and made it into a number of states.


I am waiting on all the reparation demands from the U.N. for the money we owe Mexicans for lost lands and resources in Southwestern U.S.



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Posted by Keltic Tiger on 1/31 at 3:03 pm to shinerfan
And why exactly would a small country, completely surrounded by numerous countries vowing to wipe it off the map, populated by millions of hate filled people, attack the Arabs? Knowing they had no practical help whatsoever from anywhere else? If you are standing alone, surrounded by 5-6 thugs,knowing they want kill you as violently as possible do you just stand there, helplessly? or do you act......in self defense first? How bout the earlier wars, where Isreal was attacked first?? The Arabian nations want Palestine to stay as it is, despite have millions & millions of dollars to allevate all the suffering of their FELLOW Arabs, as it remains a natural feeding ground for the militants to recruit from.


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Posted by Porky on 1/31 at 3:21 pm to GRTiger
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What are these settlers doing that would be considered crimes against humanity?

Here's the document:
LINK
Page 11...addresses violence and intimidation by settlers

BTW...I have no opinion other than this bull shite is getting old.





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Posted by trackfan on 1/31 at 3:21 pm to lsu13lsu
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I am sure we would have if they would have been next door.

Hawaii isn't next door.



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Posted by trackfan on 1/31 at 3:23 pm to lsu13lsu
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I am waiting on all the reparation demands from the U.N. for the money we owe Mexicans for lost lands and resources in Southwestern U.S.

Would you really be willing to pay higher taxes to make reparations to Native Americans?



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Posted by Ace Midnight on 1/31 at 3:24 pm to CarrolltonTiger
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Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank violate Palestinian human rights and must be withdrawn, United Nations investigators said Thursday -- a move described by observers as “unprecedented.”


I wonder who is going to draw the mission to kick Israel of the West Bank? The IDF is going to be a handful, I can tell you that.



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Posted by trackfan on 1/31 at 3:27 pm to Ace Midnight
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I wonder who is going to draw the mission to kick Israel of the West Bank? The IDF is going to be a handful, I can tell you that.

Force won't be needed if an American President puts his foot down. Israel had no intention of giving back the Sinai in 1956 until Ike gave them a "leave or else" ultimatum.



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Posted by lsu13lsu on 1/31 at 3:28 pm to trackfan
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Hawaii isn't next door.


Great point. When will the U.N. demand us to give it back to whoever last ruled it then demand them to give it back to the rulers before them then the rulers before them? There has to be ancestors from the first rulers to give it back to? What about Israel? Who ruled it first? Not the current Palestinians. So why should they get it?


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Posted by WildTchoupitoulas on 1/31 at 3:30 pm to SammyTiger
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1. Im sure if either was immediately adjacent to us we would have moved in, or if France had done anything in the war they may have taken some land.

No, because World War I was SUPPOSED to teach us that harsh punitive measures taken by the victors is not really a good solution.

SEE: Versailles, Treaty of vis-a-vis Wilson's 14 points.

Just because you think you're right, and justified, and militarily superior to your 'adversdary', doesn't mean that things will turn out well for you if you treat them harshly.



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Posted by trackfan on 1/31 at 3:32 pm to lsu13lsu
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Great point. When will the U.N. demand us to give it back to whomever last ruled it then demand them to give it back to the rulers before them then the rulers before them? There has to be ancestors from the first rulers to give it back to? What about Israel? Who ruled it first? Not the current Palestinians. So why should they get it?

Hawaiians are full-fledged American citizens with all the right that folks on the mainland have. As matter of fact, we have to have one in the White House right now. When is Israel even going to grant citizenship the Palestinians, much less elect one of them Prime Minister?



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Posted by lsu13lsu on 1/31 at 3:34 pm to trackfan
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Hawaiians are full-fledged American citizens with all the right that folks on the mainland have. As matter of fact, we have to have one in the White House right now. When is Israel even going to grant citizenship the Palestinians, much less elect one of them Prime Minister?


Of all the shitty places American tax dollars go to I am not sure how so many determine Israel is the one we need to constantly bash. We should stay out of the middle east period.



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Posted by Radiojones on 1/31 at 3:36 pm to CarrolltonTiger
CT, I seem to remember seeing something on the news several years ago. It was the Israeli government forcing some of the settlers out of their homes. I don't remember how long ago this was or how widespread it was either. Do you remember this and if so could you enlighten me on it?


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