40 years ago today Abortion became legal in this country
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Posted by taylork37 on 1/22 at 7:50 am to papasmurf1269
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Why is it ok to pass laws limiting guns,but not abortions?I thought Obama wanted to help save children.


This board is fantastically entertaining sometimes.



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Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood on 1/22 at 7:52 am to papasmurf1269
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Why is it ok to pass laws limiting guns,but not abortions?


Philosophy fail



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Posted by Mike da Tigah on 1/22 at 7:52 am to papasmurf1269
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Why is it ok to pass laws limiting guns,but not abortions?I thought Obama wanted to help save children.


Because its not about any of that. It's about an agenda, and Obama has shown he is not above using kids, alive or dead to further that cause.




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Posted by GeauxTigerTM on 1/22 at 7:52 am to papasmurf1269
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Lets celebrate. A woman's right to murder


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Sound about right to you?


Hyperbole, or do you REALLY mean that? I ask, because I think it's clear based solely on the actions taken by those who espouse this belief that it's mostly talk.

If we were talking about 2 year olds instead of fetuses, would those most strongly entrenched in the anti-abortion movement merely stand around and hold signs and protest, or would they do everything in their means to prevent the murder of millions of young children? I, for one, would do everything in my power to forceably prevent the murder of a helpless child. I can;t think of an honorable person who wouldn't...regardless of whether or not it was considered legal to do so.

But that doesn't happen in this case, despite all the talk of murdering babies...why? Could it be despite all the talk about "murdering babies" even the most fervent see a distinction between a live baby and a fetus? If not, is it only self preservation?



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Posted by JEAUXBLEAUX on 1/22 at 7:56 am to GeauxTigerTM
Fetuses are not babies. Secondly. I and millions agree that it is not yours or mine decision to make. A woman has the rught to decide whether to have an abortion.


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Posted by papasmurf1269 on 1/22 at 7:57 am to GeauxTigerTM
I do mean it.Abortion is murder.IMO it is allowable in cases of rape or the life of the mother is in jeopardy.


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Posted by CarrolltonTiger on 1/22 at 8:00 am to ShoeBang
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Incorrect education is what got us here in the first place. Teaching someone that it's ok to kill a baby was the greatest crime of all.


It would be foolish to believe babies weren't killed before abortion became safer and common, "Infanticide was infamously universal" in ancient Greece and Rome. Frederic Farrar, The Early Days of Christianity, page 71. As Will Durant stated, infanticide was so common in ancient Rome that "birth itself was an adventure." Caesar and Christ, page 56. Indeed, so common was infanticide in ancient Greece that Polybius (205-118 BCE) blamed the decline of ancient Greece on it. (Histories, 6). It was "decimating pagan society," Durant, op. cit., 698, and was the leading cause of the tremendous gender gap of men to women in the ancient world. Rodney Stark, The Rise of Christianity, pages 97-98.

As society has changed so has the ability/need to raise children, you can do something with 12 kids on a farm, or on a frontier where they might get snatched by savages, or in an age where disease will take many in childhood. In a post industrial society people can't care for that many kids, and many of you guys are too cowardly to even assume the responsibility to have one kid.

Other than the degenerates who have more kids than they can care for and willingly allow the government to become the supporter, and relish their income flow form the little dysfunctionals, society doesn't create a situation where families are that important any more.



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Posted by Mike da Tigah on 1/22 at 8:03 am to GeauxTigerTM
Rex said yesterday

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I believe that men who are not in committed relationships should have the right to paper abortions. Forcing child support upon a man who impregnated a woman on a one night stand is bull shite.



Rex may be a loon, but he is honest, and that's what this abortion shite really is all about, taking no responsibility, or rather removing the effect from the cause of poor decision making.

Women who get pregnant know that when they spread their legs and let another guy stick their penis in them they run the risk of getting pregnant. Guys also know that when they put their little Willie in a girl they run the risk of getting a girl pregnant, yet neither want to take responsibility for it, but get a free pass, so here we are, dealing with effects of human behavior rather than the cause again and again. So who gets to pay for it? Well neither of they who made that decision, but an innocent child is who pays for it.





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Posted by GeauxTigerTM on 1/22 at 8:06 am to papasmurf1269
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I do mean it.Abortion is murder.


Then I have to ask...why do you allow people to murder babies around you? I can't think of any rational person who would allow such a thing to take place.

If there was a clinic in your town at which parents could bring their kids to be murdered, would you simply stand outside and berate them and hope that they wouldn't go in and have their kids murdered, or would you do everything in your power, risk your own life and safety, to prevent those innocent kids from being killed? I certainly would.

The answer is written all over this topic. There is a very clear distinction rational people see, despite all the rhetoric to the contrary, between a fetus at any age of development, and a child. And if they really don't see any, then their lack of direct preventive action is just cowardice.



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Posted by papasmurf1269 on 1/22 at 8:09 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Then I have to ask...why do you allow people to murder babies around you? I can't think of any rational person who would allow such a thing to take place.
Nobody I know has killed their baby.



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Posted by Mike da Tigah on 1/22 at 8:13 am to papasmurf1269
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Nobody I know has killed their baby



True. They hired an assassin with a license to kill. In a courtroom, we call it murder just the same, unless we sanitize it by calling it abortion and a fetus.



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Posted by GeauxTigerTM on 1/22 at 8:13 am to Mike da Tigah
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Rex may be a loon, but he is honest, and that's what this abortion shite really is all about, taking no responsibility, or rather removing the effect from the cause of poor decision making.


Of course it is, and it's one of the reasons I'm against legalized abortion. Another is my belief that we only get one shot at life, but that's my view and I'm not about to force it onto others.

The fact that I'm anti-abortion doesn't mean that I side with the catholic church's position on contraception, though, which was my initial point to the OP.

And despite the fact that I'm anti-abortion, I'd never use the term "murder" when describing it as I've laid out in this thread.



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Posted by GeauxTigerTM on 1/22 at 8:17 am to papasmurf1269
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Nobody I know has killed their baby.


So the only babies you care enough to risk your life and freedom for are those babies you may know personally?

I'll ask again directly just so we have no misunderstandings...if there was a clinic in your town at which parents could bring their children to have murdered for whatever reason (in this scenario it is legal) would you simply stand outside and try and berate them into not murdering their babies, or would you try and stop them by any means necessary? Or, given your last comment, would you only bother to defend children if you knew them?

This isn't a gotcha'...I find this line of reasoning fascinating.



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Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood on 1/22 at 8:20 am to papasmurf1269
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Nobody I know has killed their baby.


That's what they all say.



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Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood on 1/22 at 8:23 am to papasmurf1269

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papasmurf1269

You have friend(s) who have had abortions. They just didn't tell you.




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Posted by papasmurf1269 on 1/22 at 8:28 am to GeauxTigerTM
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I'll ask again directly just so we have no misunderstandings...if there was a clinic in your town at which parents could bring their children to have murdered for whatever reason (in this scenario it is legal) would you simply stand outside and try and berate them into not murdering their babies, or would you try and stop them by any means necessary? Or, given your last comment, would you only bother to defend children if you knew them?
Honestly,I would not stand outside an abortion clinic and berate them.



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Posted by GeauxTigerTM on 1/22 at 8:33 am to papasmurf1269
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Honestly,I would not stand outside an abortion clinic and berate them.


I'll ask one more time and allow your evasiveness to speak for itself...

Would you do ANYTHING in the scenario I posted twice earlier? Would the murdering of innocent children in your town get you to do anything about it other than complain about it on a message board?

I think the answer is clear...either you simply do not believe that abortion = murdering babies, or you may think it does but would never risk yourself in any way to protect them. I'd like to think you just speak in hyperbole...it's clearly the lesser of two evils here.



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Posted by joshnorris14 on 1/22 at 8:40 am to papasmurf1269
40 years ago the federal government decided that women owned their own body


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Posted by N.O. via West-Cal on 1/22 at 8:48 am to CarrolltonTiger
"It would be foolish to believe babies weren't killed before abortion became safer and common . . ."

In addition to the ancient historical perspective, also recall that Roe v. Wade "merely" made abortion a woman's right as a matter of constitutional law. Prior to Roe, it was a matter of state law, such that laws governing abortions varied from jurisdiction to jurisdiciton. This does not address the moral question, but just a bit of perspective. Abortions did not just begin occurring in 1973.



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Posted by papasmurf1269 on 1/22 at 8:52 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Would you do ANYTHING in the scenario I posted twice earlier? Would the murdering of innocent children in your town get you to do anything about it other than complain about it on a message board?
No.I wouldn't do anything drastic.I need to be free to be a father to my children.



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