*IF* the "assault weapon" bill passes
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*IF* the "assault weapon" bill passes
Posted by Danchase on 12/31 at 10:58 pm
Who actually registers their NFA items?


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Posted by Tiguar on 12/31 at 10:59 pm to Danchase
boat accident



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Posted by Jbird on 12/31 at 11:11 pm to Tiguar
Barn fires in Iowa bruh!


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Posted by Danchase on 12/31 at 11:12 pm to Tiguar
If you register a firearm with the NFA you can't just lose it. If they come looking for it and you don't have it, that's a federal offense, hence just don't register and nobody knows that you have it


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Posted by I Love Bama on 12/31 at 11:16 pm to Danchase
frick that. I didn't lose shite in a boat accident and the first mother fricker that comes knocking on my door asking for guns will get a bullet to the fricking head. I HOPE YOU GVT frickS ARE READING THIS.


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Posted by trackfan on 12/31 at 11:17 pm to Danchase
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If you register a firearm with the NFA you can't just lose it. If they come looking for it and you don't have it, that's a federal offense, hence just don't register and nobody knows that you have it

If you bought it from an FFL dealer, they already know you have it.



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Posted by Jbird on 12/31 at 11:17 pm to trackfan
So?


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Posted by Danchase on 12/31 at 11:23 pm to trackfan
The FFL dealer has a record of who they sold it to. If said buyer sells, loses, or becomes a victim of theft it is not necessarily required to be reported. When an item is registered with the NFA (suppressors, SBRs) that item must always be accounted for or face prosecution. Also to cross state lines with an NFA registered firearm it requires written permission from the ATF.


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Posted by OldTigahFot on 12/31 at 11:25 pm to Danchase
:nb4colddeadhands:




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Posted by trackfan on 12/31 at 11:33 pm to Danchase
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The FFL dealer has a record of who they sold it to. If said buyer sells, loses, or becomes a victim of theft it is not necessarily required to be reported. When an item is registered with the NFA (suppressors, SBRs) that item must always be accounted for or face prosecution. Also to cross state lines with an NFA registered firearm it requires written permission from the ATF.

Well stated. What I'm saying folks need to do if they don't want their FFL-purchased guns on file with the Feds, is stage a fake burglary in which all their guns are "stolen", and then the Feds won't have any reason to question them.



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Posted by russinbr on 12/31 at 11:40 pm to Danchase
frick the feds. they sold my shite to the mexican cartels


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Posted by Danchase on 12/31 at 11:42 pm to trackfan
It seems unnecessary to commit fraud when you don't have to. If anyone asks you can say that you sold it to an unknown person and that's why you are not registering it.


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Posted by trackfan on 1/1 at 12:05 am to Danchase
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It seems unnecessary to commit fraud when you don't have to. If anyone asks you can say that you sold it to an unknown person and that's why you are not registering it.

How is that avoiding fraud? Didn't you know it was a crime to lie to a federal agent?



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Posted by Jbird on 1/1 at 12:23 am to trackfan
Thanks for the help there chief!


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Posted by Danchase on 1/1 at 12:40 am to Jbird
True but what I was getting at is if they don't know you have them they're less likely to attempt to take them by force. It's a bad situation either way. I know I'm not giving mine up ever, which is what this ban would lead to. To me the risk of not registering is safer than registering.

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Posted by TN Bhoy on 1/1 at 12:41 am to Danchase
I donated mine to DHS for Op. Fast and Furious


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Posted by trackfan on 1/1 at 1:23 am to Danchase
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True but what I was getting at is if they don't know you have them they're less likely to attempt to take them by force. It's a bad situation either way. I know I'm not giving mine up ever, which is what this ban would lead to. To me the risk of not registering is safer than registering.

I agree with you that you have to pick your poison one way of the other, but I would rather file a false police report to the local cops than lie to the Feds. Local cops don't have an axe to grind on the gun control issue and won't pursue the case even if they suspect you're lying, but the Feds would take it as a challenge if you lied to them, and might try to make an example out of you. The Feds are a lot more interested in making names for themselves when it comes to this kind of stuff.

My main point is that if you bought it from an FFL dealer, they already know you have it, and so what you need to do at that point is figure out the best way to make the Feds believe that you lost or forfeited possession of it. If you tell them you sold it, they're going to ask you questions about the sale. If tell them it was stolen, they probably won't believe you if you tell them you didn't file a police report.


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Posted by Midwesterner on 1/1 at 4:13 am to trackfan
Assault weapon bill passes and the fed goes to war with the people. Oath Keepers will never stand for this.


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Posted by ChewyDante on 1/1 at 4:24 am to Midwesterner
Quick story. My dad and I collect WWII militaria. A local friend we met showed us a sub-machine gun he had privately acquired that had never been registered during the 1986 automatic weapons ban. It was a rare WWII piece worth tens of thousands of dollars. He was not interested in selling but simply owning as he was a collector. The previous owner had not registered it during the 1986 law's window, thus it had become illegal. He contacted authorities anonymously to inquire as to whether he could legally register the weapon ex poste, and was told that he could not and would face federal charges if caught in possession of the weapon. He refused to abandon the piece as it was so desirable. Upon my dad finally convincing him of the severity of the federal charges, he decided to anonymously donate the weapon to the D-Day museum in New Orleans.

It's sad that bureaucracy forced a law abiding gun owner to have to forfeit an American relic due to bureaucratic inflexibility. He had to donate anonymously since his previous ownership was a crime.

Just a csb.



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Posted by baybeefeetz on 1/1 at 4:58 am to ChewyDante
What of he had sold it to a straw man and bought it back? Wouldn't have worked?


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