Spinoff: Sequels that did happen that shouldn't have
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Posted by Carson123987 on 12/31 at 1:10 pm to Cold Pizza
wachowskis were too focused on making themselves sound smart


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Posted by Tactical1 on 12/31 at 1:18 pm to OMLandshark
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Really? The Empire was hardly defeated


Walk into A New Hope for the first time, you didn't really know how big the empire really was, for the first time viewers sake, the Death Star could have been the entire empire as far as anyone else knew.

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Luke was not a fully realized Jedi


And when Luke became a Jedi (Even though he just started calling himself one, and never really became one) I personally think Luke became a less interesting character once he "became a Jedi"

While The Empire Strikes Back is a great film and all, had it not ever been made, I don't don't think people would have cared.



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Posted by Brosef Stalin on 12/31 at 1:19 pm to OMLandshark
Movies like The Matrix, A New Hope, first Pirates of the Caribbean etc tell a complete story because they were never intended to be part of a series. It was only after those movies became hits that the studio decided to do more.


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Posted by Tactical1 on 12/31 at 1:23 pm to Brosef Stalin
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Movies like The Matrix, A New Hope, first Pirates of the Caribbean etc tell a complete story because they were never intended to be part of a series


Well we know that A New Hope was certainly part of a bigger story. These films are absolutely great by themselves. Unfortunately once you become part of a series, every one of them better be a an absolute hit or the original one will tarnish a bit.

The Matrix is probably on the greatest science fiction films ever, but we don't really look back on it like that anymore, just by virtue that Reloaded and Revolutions exist, not to mention an extremely irrelevant and forgettable expanded universe.



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Posted by OMLandshark on 12/31 at 1:29 pm to Tactical1
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Walk into A New Hope for the first time, you didn't really know how big the empire really was, for the first time viewers sake, the Death Star could have been the entire empire as far as anyone else knew.


It was clear that the Death Star was new, and the Star Destroyer in and of itself tells us everything about the Empire and the Rebellion. The Star Destroyer vs the Rebel Ship shows how large and powerful the Empire is, and weak and small the Rebellion is. The coward angle implies dominance, and the length of the Star Destroyer represents the long reach of the Empire. In fact this shot is so genius that I suspect George Lucas had nothing to do with it, and probably fought against putting it in the final cut.

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And when Luke became a Jedi (Even though he just started calling himself one, and never really became one) I personally think Luke became a less interesting character once he "became a Jedi"


And that is the fault of the script of the third one.

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While The Empire Strikes Back is a great film and all, had it not ever been made, I don't don't think people would have cared.


You don't know the average film goer than.



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Posted by OMLandshark on 12/31 at 1:31 pm to Brosef Stalin
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Movies like The Matrix, A New Hope, first Pirates of the Caribbean etc tell a complete story because they were never intended to be part of a series. It was only after those movies became hits that the studio decided to do more.


Aside from The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, you can make this argument for any and all franchises.



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Posted by Tactical1 on 12/31 at 1:33 pm to OMLandshark
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The Star Destroyer vs the Rebel Ship shows how large and powerful the Empire is, and weak and small the Rebellion is. The coward angle implies dominance, and the length of the Star Destroyer represents the long reach of the Empire. In fact this shot is so genius that I suspect George Lucas had nothing to do with it, and probably fought against putting it in the final cut.


We have all seen the Red Letter Media review, you didn't really have to quote line by line.



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Posted by Brosef Stalin on 12/31 at 1:38 pm to OMLandshark
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Aside from The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, you can make this argument for any and all franchises.

I'm talking about series that tell one big story. Something like the Bond series is more about the adventures of the main character and not some large story. Most horror series are like that as well.



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Posted by boxcarbarney on 12/31 at 1:44 pm to CBizWRECKIN
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Spiderman 2 (I think some people liked this but I didn't.)


Spiderman 2 is one of the best superhero movies made.



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Posted by Tiger1242 on 12/31 at 1:50 pm to CBizWRECKIN
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spiderman 2

I thought it was a good movie, the 3rd one was terrible



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Posted by RonBurgundy on 12/31 at 2:53 pm to CBizWRECKIN
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I understand the whole "follow the comics thing" but sometimes the first movie of the comic tells the story and that's all that's needed, IMO.



some of the best arcs in comic happen well after the origin story.

i.e., Kraven's Hunt in Spider-man, The Prison arc in The Walking Dead, The Court of Owls in Batman, etc.



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Posted by Doldil on 12/31 at 3:41 pm to Socrates Johnson
Bill and Ted's bogus journey


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Posted by Patrick_Bateman on 12/31 at 3:46 pm to OMLandshark
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Matrix needed a sequel. The sequel just happened to suck.

Disagree.

ETA: My vote is for all the Transformers.


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Posted by bomber77 on 12/31 at 4:01 pm to Doldil
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Bill and Ted's bogus journey


I like this as well if not better than the original.



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Posted by beaverfever on 12/31 at 5:09 pm to OMLandshark
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Aside from The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, you can make this argument for any and all franchises.
how so? I can think of several off the top of my head.



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Posted by RollTide1987 on 12/31 at 5:46 pm to Brosef Stalin
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Movies like The Matrix, A New Hope, first Pirates of the Caribbean etc tell a complete story because they were never intended to be part of a series. It was only after those movies became hits that the studio decided to do more.


Star Wars was ALWAYS intended to be part of a larger story. Lucas, in the original contract, got the studio to agree to let him make the final two films regardless of box office returns.


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Posted by StarSaint on 12/31 at 5:54 pm to RollTide1987



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Posted by jrous19 on 12/31 at 8:16 pm to StarSaint
Dumb and dumberer, grease 2,


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Posted by yurintroubl on 12/31 at 8:21 pm to jrous19
Spy Kids 2
Basic Instinct 2



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Posted by Haplochrom on 12/31 at 8:25 pm to jrous19
3 ninjas kick back.
Jaws 3d
Oceans 12,13
Donnie darko sequel.



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