Help settle a work debate, greatest heavyweight boxers
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Posted by braindeadboxer on 12/10 at 5:56 pm to TheOcean
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TheOcean


Agreed



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Posted by TigerintheNO on 12/10 at 5:57 pm to TheOcean
nice pic but this one is my favorite




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Posted by RonBurgundy on 12/10 at 5:58 pm to braindeadboxer
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I don't understand why such a big deal is being made about Lewis's range and jab


He KO'd his first pro opponent with a fricking jab that's why.



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Posted by braindeadboxer on 12/10 at 6:06 pm to RonBurgundy
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first pro opponent


Does not help your case



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Posted by TheOcean on 12/10 at 6:07 pm to braindeadboxer


I thought the same thing



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Posted by braindeadboxer on 12/10 at 6:10 pm to TheOcean
You should see some of the garbage they drag out for pro debuts for guys with decent amateur backgrounds. It's honestly a shame


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Posted by LasVegasTiger on 12/10 at 6:13 pm to braindeadboxer
Not sure of greatest but John Ruiz was the worst and most boring hw to ever hold a title Hahaha.


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Posted by B1rdman15 on 12/10 at 6:17 pm to LasVegasTiger
Jack Johnson doc.

Some people in this thread should see Johnson's greatness. This is one of the better documentaries i've seen on him. It's long. If you have time, its a good watch.



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Posted by bobbyray21 on 12/10 at 6:33 pm to TigerintheNO
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Joe Louis became HW champ in June of 1937, he would hold that title until September of 1950.


Misleading.

The 1947 fight against Walcott is widely considered to be the biggest ripoff in boxing history. Walcott won that fight by any objective standard.

Also, look to see how many times Louis fought between 1941-1950.

Also note that Louis "retired" in 1949 before coming back to get a no decision against some guy named Johnny Schkor and then getting beat by Ezzard Charles.



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Posted by bobbyray21 on 12/10 at 6:34 pm to RonBurgundy
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That's ludicrous. The Tyson excuse train rolls hard.


I'm not making excuses for Tyson. Note that my stance on Tyson has been the same throughout this thread. He fired Cayton and Rooney after the Spinks fight, and completely self-destructed both as a fighter and a human being after that.



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Posted by B1rdman15 on 12/10 at 6:35 pm to bobbyray21
Didn't he also fight in WWII?


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Posted by braindeadboxer on 12/10 at 6:39 pm to B1rdman15
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Didn't he also fight in WWII?


He served. Fought a bunch of exhibitions to raise money for the troops while he was in the service. Got screwed by the IRS because they considered that "taxable income." Even though it was all going to the troops. Went bankrupt as a result and has to come out of retirement to make money when he had no business still fighting.



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Posted by bobbyray21 on 12/10 at 6:39 pm to TigerintheNO
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Joe Louis became HW champ in June of 1937, he would hold that title until September of 1950.


And, to be clear, your statement has no bearing on the statement you quoted.

Ali in his prime would have absolutely made Joe Louis look silly. He was in a different category athletically. Taller, heavier, way way faster, better footwork, better defensively. It wouldn't have been a close fight.



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Posted by B1rdman15 on 12/10 at 6:43 pm to braindeadboxer
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exhibitions


What i was getting at. His title was never held up in those fights. Therefore, he was champ throughout without having to put his title up.



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Posted by TigerintheNO on 12/10 at 6:44 pm to bobbyray21
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Misleading.


He holds the record for the most title defenses 25.
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Also, look to see how many times Louis fought between 1941-1950.


You realize that he was enlisted in the army in Jan of 1942. He only had one fight between then and Nov of 1944.



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Posted by bobbyray21 on 12/10 at 6:45 pm to TigerintheNO
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You realize that he was enlisted in the army in Jan of 1942. He only had one fight between then and Nov of 1944.


Which is exactly why it's misleading to say 1937-1950



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Posted by bobbyray21 on 12/10 at 6:46 pm to TigerintheNO
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He holds the record for the most title defenses 25.


Bum of the month club.



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Posted by RandySavage on 12/10 at 6:46 pm to buckboudreaux
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no one....I say no one ....could beat iron mike for the time he was on top.....I hate the fricker, but it is real


Except for Buster Douglas?



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Posted by TigerintheNO on 12/10 at 6:47 pm to bobbyray21
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Bum of the month club.


Do you even know what that means?



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Posted by bobbyray21 on 12/10 at 6:48 pm to RandySavage
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Except for Buster Douglas?


See definition of Tyson's prime. It's a damn shame that he unraveled both as a fighter and a person after firing Rooney and Cayton at the ripe old age of 22. But it's undeniably true.



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