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Does anyone have the map showing anti-gay marriage states
Posted by themunch on 5/10 at 12:39 am
I think there were like 6 states that legalize perversion and the rest said no way.


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Posted by benhamin5555 on 5/10 at 12:42 am to themunch
CSB


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Posted by Colonel Toddy on 5/10 at 12:53 am to themunch
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I think there were like 6 states that legalize perversion and the rest said no way.



You don't know how to Google?

6 states allow (plus DC)

3 states has passed legalization pending possible ballot challenges this Fall ( WA, MD, and ME)

New Jersey has legalized but Christie veoted. They will either override his veto or it will be legal under the next Democratic governor.

There is a court challenge in Hawaii that is seen as favorable to legalizing gay marriage very soon.

Rhode Island will legalize in the next two years.

Oregon is planning a repeal of their gay marriage ban.

29 states have constitutional amendments banning it. ( the amendment has been ruled unconstitutional in California and is currently being appealed the full Ninth Circuit)

Several more have statutes banning gay marriage.

A few have no laws either way. (New Mexico and maybe a few others)



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Posted by Newbomb Turk on 5/10 at 6:50 am to Colonel Toddy
When put to the ballot -- it's 32-0 against gay marriage.


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Posted by themunch on 5/10 at 7:24 am to Newbomb Turk
When put to the ballot -- it's 32-0 against gay marriage.

This.

If there is so much of a majority against it why is it pushed so hard to make it against the will of the people. I am growing tired of minority issues being forced down the majorities throats.



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Posted by Ratsofftoyou on 5/10 at 7:28 am to themunch
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If there is so much of a majority against it why is it pushed so hard to make it against the will of the people. I am growing tired of minority issues being forced down the majorities throats.


WTF. The majority is forcing THEIR opinion upon the minority in this case. Not everything is up to the majority in America, especially when it comes to the rights of others. I truly don't understand how gays getting married affects you people in such a unbearable way.

Doesn't matter though, because the train has left the station. It really won't be long before this is legal anyway.



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Posted by themunch on 5/10 at 7:30 am to Ratsofftoyou
The majority is forcing THEIR opinion upon the minority in this case

No, they are not.



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Posted by Colonel Toddy on 5/10 at 7:32 am to Newbomb Turk
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When put to the ballot -- it's 32-0 against gay marriage.



No joke, Captain Obvious. I wonder how many states would have legalized interracial marriage by popular vote in 1967?

You probably think civil rights should be put up for a vote.

Regardless, I saw we win Washington state and Maine this Fall.



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Posted by Colonel Toddy on 5/10 at 7:32 am to Newbomb Turk
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When put to the ballot -- it's 32-0 against gay marriage.



No joke, Captain Obvious. I wonder how many states would have legalized interracial marriage by popular vote in 1967?

You probably think civil rights should be put up for a vote.

Regardless, I saw we win Washington state and Maine this Fall.



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Posted by Newbomb Turk on 5/10 at 7:37 am to Colonel Toddy
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You probably think civil rights should be put up for a vote.


You know DAMN WELL that gay marriage wasn't even an afterthought when any amendment to the Constitution was passed.

If you want gay marriage, either get it done at the state level, or get a Constitutional amendment. Otherwise, quit f'ing lying with your "civil rights" and "equality" bull shite and shut the f*ck up.

It's idiots and a-holes LIKE YOU who are setting back this issue for decades -- if not longer.


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Posted by Ratsofftoyou on 5/10 at 7:44 am to Newbomb Turk
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You know DAMN WELL that gay marriage wasn't even an afterthought when any amendment to the Constitution was passed.

If you want gay marriage, either get it done at the state level, or get a Constitutional amendment. Otherwise, quit f'ing lying with your "civil rights" and "equality" bull shite and shut the f*ck up.

It's idiots and a-holes LIKE YOU who are setting back this issue for decades -- if not longer.


Good god, it's like I'm being punched in the face by fist of irony. You sir are a cartoon.

It will get done at the state level, but more importantly is the prospect of DOMA being challenged as unconstitutional. If that happens, then the laws against gay marriage at the state level won't survive for long.

How could you possibly think those in favor of gay marriage are setting the issue back for decades? Only by bringing the issue to the forefront will it become noticed/accepted by the public at large. It's inevitable at this point.



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Posted by Newbomb Turk on 5/10 at 7:48 am to Ratsofftoyou
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It will get done at the state level, but more importantly is the prospect of DOMA being challenged as unconstitutional. If that happens, then the laws against gay marriage at the state level won't survive for long.


DOMA is being challenged in an estate tax case. But, that has virtually nothing to do with state's legally recognizing gay marriage. All it means is that the Federal government wouldn't recognize it for Federal government issues -- like the marital deduction for the estate tax. So, even if DOMA is Constitutional (and, IT IS), the marriages in states where it was duly and Constitutionally passed will still be valid for all state law purposes.



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Posted by DCRebel on 5/10 at 8:16 am to themunch
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If there is so much of a majority against it why is it pushed so hard to make it against the will of the people. I am growing tired of minority issues being forced down the majorities throats.



Hey! Look! Another dolt that doesn't understand American government!

If this were a true democracy and the majority opinion was always the law, then why would we have a Congress, a President, and a Supreme Court - not to mention a sprawling bureaucracy? If this is a democracy where the "will of the people" ruled supreme, shouldn't every governmental decision be up to a general popular vote?

Oh, that's right, because we don't live a democracy. We live in a federal democratic republic.


This post was edited on 5/10 at 8:21 am

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Posted by DCRebel on 5/10 at 8:17 am to Newbomb Turk
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If you want gay marriage, either get it done at the state level, or get a Constitutional amendment. Otherwise, quit f'ing lying with your "civil rights" and "equality" bull shite and shut the f*ck up.


Jesus, will you just say "frick" already? What makes you think it's any better to write "f*ck" and "f'ing" all the time? What, do you think it's some sort of mystery to the rest of the board as to what you mean?

Grow a set of balls, Turk.



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Posted by Newbomb Turk on 5/10 at 8:26 am to DCRebel
F*CK YOU!


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Posted by themunch on 5/10 at 8:29 am to DCRebel
We live in a federal democratic republic.

I get this.


I am still growing tired of minority issues being forced down the majorities throats.




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Posted by HempHead on 5/10 at 8:31 am to themunch
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I am still growing tired of minority issues being forced down the majorities throats.



I am growing tired of such minuscule issues being at the forefront of national discourse.

Don't worry about the welfare-warfare machine, because gays and lesbians want to be able to enter a marriage contract!



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Posted by themunch on 5/10 at 8:33 am to HempHead



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Posted by DCRebel on 5/10 at 8:49 am to Newbomb Turk
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F*CK YOU!


Ah f'ing f*ck it.



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Posted by DCRebel on 5/10 at 8:49 am to themunch
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I am still growing tired of minority issues being forced down the majorities throats.


How is anybody forcing anything down your (or anybody's) throats? Elaborate on this.



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