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How long will it take for the first GOP Nominee to support gay marriage?
Posted by MinnesotaTiger on 5/9 at 9:18 pm
I'll take a wild guess and say 2036

I would say that the GOP is so strongly tied to the religious right they will be unable to "evolve" on this seemingly no-brainer issue for at least a couple more decades.

I think that Obama really took one for the team here in that even if it hurts him a teeny bit in this election, this will (in the near future) be a very positive and beneficial wedge issue for the Dems in the same way that Rove used it for the GOP in Bush's elections.


This post was edited on 5/9 at 9:19 pm

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Posted by Tiger Authority on 5/9 at 9:19 pm to MinnesotaTiger
I guess I'm just an outlier to your little theory then.


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Posted by HempHead on 5/9 at 9:19 pm to MinnesotaTiger
You won't see an endorsement so much as a deference to popular/state will.


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Posted by MinnesotaTiger on 5/9 at 9:21 pm to HempHead
I should have clarified - I mean even the candidate saying what Obama said today. Personal support but deference to state's rights.


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Posted by StrangeBrew on 5/9 at 9:21 pm to MinnesotaTiger
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I think that Obama really took one for the team


I thought the religious right would never elect a African American or Mormon.
Neither could be elected without votes from the religous.
Nice troll though.



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Posted by RollTide4Ever on 5/9 at 9:21 pm to HempHead
By 2036, the push for all marriages being civil unions will in vogue.


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Posted by Tiger Authority on 5/9 at 9:22 pm to StrangeBrew
Prop 8 passed in California because of Democrats.


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Posted by MinnesotaTiger on 5/9 at 9:22 pm to StrangeBrew
Romney literally never got close to a majority of the religious right vote in any of the key primaries.




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Posted by HempHead on 5/9 at 9:23 pm to MinnesotaTiger
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I mean even the candidate saying what Obama said today.


It won't happen as long as the current incarnation of the G.O.P. exists. If it becomes more libertarian in the future, it could possibly happen.



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Posted by Politiceaux on 5/9 at 9:23 pm to MinnesotaTiger
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the GOP is so strongly tied to the religious right

As evidenced by four of the party's last five nominees being hardly the choice of the fundamentalists.



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Posted by StrangeBrew on 5/9 at 10:12 pm to MinnesotaTiger
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Romney literally never got close to a majority of the religious right vote in any of the key primaries.


with the key word being primaries.



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Posted by Joshjrn on 5/9 at 10:47 pm to StrangeBrew
2020 at the latest. My hunch is 2016.


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Posted by The Easter Bunny on 5/9 at 10:54 pm to MinnesotaTiger
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I mean even the candidate saying what Obama said today. Personal support but deference to state's rights.


many years ago?

Dick Cheny



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Posted by Colonel Toddy on 5/9 at 10:58 pm to MinnesotaTiger
I think it will be 2020 or 2024. If support continues to grow at the same pace the next eight years as it has the previous eight, there will be super majority support (60%+) among the American public by 2020. It will come to the point that it will be politically detrimental to oppose it (on a national scale). The fundamentlist base will kick and scream but the GOP will have no choice but to embrace equality if they don't wish to be seen as intolerant and outdated.

Hopefully, this will all be long decided by the SCOTUS earlier than this though. Although it's doubtful now that the Prop 8 case will reach the SCOTUS, there will be another similar case in all likelihood. Also, one of the DOMA cases will probably reach the SCOTUS in the next two to three years.



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Posted by coloradoBengal on 5/9 at 10:59 pm to MinnesotaTiger
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How long will it take for the first GOP Nominee to support gay marriage?


That depends... how long before all the gay Repub's come out of the closet?



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Posted by HailHailtoMichigan! on 5/9 at 11:01 pm to MinnesotaTiger
I get VERY annoyed when people paint the dems as the party of gay rights. How in the world does the party that represents blacks, Latinos and the poor working class have GAY MARRIAGE as a plank?

I would say the issue is 50/50 in both parties.



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Posted by Colonel Toddy on 5/9 at 11:02 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I would say the issue is 50/50 in both parties.



No it's not. Every poll out there has huge majorities of Democrats supporting gay marriage. Every poll I've ever seen has Republican support from 33 to 38%.



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Posted by CamdenTiger on 5/9 at 11:05 pm to Colonel Toddy
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No it's not. Every poll out there has huge majorities of Democrats supporting gay marriage. Every poll I've ever seen has Republican support from 33 to 38%.


The polls favor gay marriage, but there is a disconnect in the actual votes...



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Posted by 90proofprofessional on 5/9 at 11:15 pm to Colonel Toddy
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No it's not. Every poll out there has huge majorities of Democrats supporting gay marriage. Every poll I've ever seen has Republican support from 33 to 38%.

yet this support never materializes when put to an actual vote. i support it, but im not so sure it's as popular as ppl act like



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Posted by Colonel Toddy on 5/9 at 11:18 pm to 90proofprofessional
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yet this support never materializes when put to an actual vote. i support it, but im not so sure it's as popular as ppl act like



This is very close to the numbers of the Prop 8 referendum.

We have lost every ballot vote so far. But the majority of those have been in conservative states. We lost Maine 53/47 and Cali 52/48. I think we have a very good chance of winning Maine and Washington state this year.

It's coming; it's just going to take a while.



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