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re: The trajectory of the gay marriage issue
Posted by Henry Jones Jr on 5/9 at 9:48 pm to DA
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Why should a civil rights issue be left up to the state?


Cause I don't want someone from Oregon or Montana telling my appointed officials how they should run things.



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Posted by Tiger Authority on 5/9 at 9:49 pm to DA
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I was referring to the feds telling Utah it couldn't be a state unless they dumped polygamy.



And I asked you to distinguish some individuals views on gay marriage and basically everyone's views on polygamy. Why is one okay and the other not?

And stop calling it a civil rights issue. They're not even a suspect class.



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Posted by DA on 5/9 at 9:51 pm to coloradoBengal
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They are no different than the same goobers running the country. You think this is a meritocracy? Not even close.


Generally speaking, the quality is much better at the federal level. The same way Senators are better quality than the loony House. Narrow campaigns and rigged districts only allow for poor quality, imv.




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Posted by tylercsbn9 on 5/9 at 9:51 pm to TROLA
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Listen I'm supportive of gay marriage but don't view It as a civil rights issue.. The federal government needs to extend the same benefits and disadvantages of "marriage" to gays...it's simple.. Now if they were being rounded up and prosecuted/harassed for living there life...yes it would be a civil rights issue.



100% spot on



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Posted by HempHead on 5/9 at 9:54 pm to DA
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Generally speaking, the quality is much better at the federal level.


As evidenced by our wonderful federal government.



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Posted by coloradoBengal on 5/9 at 9:54 pm to DA
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Generally speaking, the quality is much better at the federal level. The same way Senators are better quality than the loony House. Narrow campaigns and rigged districts only allow for poor quality, im




That's debatable... but the drastic difference in scope and power of the federal office isn't. They aren't "that much" better by ANY sane person's measuring stick. State level screw ups are limited in their ability to frick things up to a great extent.



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Posted by IceTiger on 5/9 at 10:02 pm to MinnesotaTiger
Marriage isn't a right, its a status for legalities.


A pointless one at that. What does marriage give you in this day and age?




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Posted by HempHead on 5/9 at 10:03 pm to IceTiger
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What does marriage give you in this day and age?


Tax benefits, that's about it.



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Posted by IceTiger on 5/9 at 10:03 pm to MinnesotaTiger
Marriage isn't a right, its a status for legalities.


A pointless one at that. What does marriage give you in this day and age?




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Posted by Blue Velvet on 5/9 at 10:07 pm to HempHead
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What does marriage give you in this day and age?
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Tax benefits
Isn't that the problem? Isn't this discrimination against single people? Get rid of the benefits, legalize contracts between consenting adults, don't force churches to marry anyone they don't want to, ????, profit.



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Posted by coloradoBengal on 5/9 at 10:09 pm to Blue Velvet
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Isn't this discrimination against single people?


Yes.




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Posted by HempHead on 5/9 at 10:11 pm to Blue Velvet
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Isn't that the problem?


Taxes are most definitely the problem!




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Posted by TROLA on 5/9 at 10:13 pm to coloradoBengal
Then don't forget widowers and widows.

Marriage promotes stability which is inherently good for the country. There is a line to be drawn on governments stacking the deck for certain behaviors but it's not in front of marriage..IMO



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Posted by Blue Velvet on 5/9 at 10:14 pm to TROLA
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Marriage promotes stability which is inherently good for the country.
Even though more than half fail? Divorce is good for the country?



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Posted by RunningWithScissors on 5/9 at 10:16 pm to Tiger Authority
Is interracial marriage a civil rights issue? Or is it an issue of contract law?

If interracial marriage is a civil rights issue, then how is gay marriage not?



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Posted by Tiger Authority on 5/9 at 10:18 pm to RunningWithScissors
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If interracial marriage is a civil rights issue, then how is gay marriage not?



Because marriage between a man and women is a fundamental right and African Americans are a suspect class.

Gay marriage has not been recognized as a fundamental right and gays are not a suspect class.

As I stated earlier, although prop 8 was ruled unconstitutional, it didn't take away any right. It just restricted the use of the word marriage.

So how is this a civil rights issues?



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Posted by coloradoBengal on 5/9 at 10:19 pm to TROLA
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Marriage promotes stability which is inherently good for the country. There is a line to be drawn on governments stacking the deck for certain behaviors but it's not in front of marriage..IMO



Why don't we prevent divorce?

What's more unstable about married than unmarried homosexuals?

Why do we promote other policies that generate resentment and instability?



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Posted by TN Bhoy on 5/9 at 10:22 pm to urinetrouble
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Where do you think the issue is headed?


The homofascists will go the route of the Moloch worshippers: the courts. They will force gay marriage on the states.


Then, as they've done in every country once they get "marriage," they'll start agitating for the ability to force churches to perform the marriages for them. Being that the Constitution already doesn't mean shite (see the HHS Mandate), the idiot population of this country will support this move to show that they are "tolerant." They will then get this.


I will then move to either Croatia, Hungary, Poland, or Russia.



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Posted by tylercsbn9 on 5/9 at 10:28 pm to TN Bhoy
Lol.....how does Adam and Steve marrying impact your life so much that you'd move out of the country?


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Posted by RunningWithScissors on 5/9 at 10:28 pm to Tiger Authority
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Because marriage between a man and women is a fundamental right


What a convenient definition that you just pulled out of your ass!

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Gay marriage has not been recognized as a fundamental right


And neither had interracial marriage, before it was!

Take a minute out of your day to argue with the 1960's bigotted version of yourself: Interracial marriage is not a fundamental right because marriage between a man and woman of the same race is a fundamental right. Marriage between two people of different races is NOT a fundamental right, therefore I must be right.
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African Americans are a suspect class.


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gays are not a suspect class.


This is kind of silly. Arguing that gays aren't experiencing discrimination because "they can't experience discrimination." Obviously the whole point of the argument is that withholding marriage from them constitutes discrimination.



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