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re: Astronomers find planet potentially capable of supporting life
Posted by Ellunchboxo on 4/28 at 12:04 am to dyslexic
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Is this right? Traveling at 18,000 mph. (spaceship) It would take 135,780 years to go 1 light year?


I thought you were smart and shit?



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Posted by GumboPot on 4/28 at 12:07 am to Stanky Legg
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You know just enough to be dangerously misinformed.


Give me a break...its been 20 years.



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Posted by dyslexic on 4/28 at 12:11 am to Ellunchboxo
Well.....

Am I right?



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Posted by Pectus on 4/28 at 12:12 am to BarlesCharkley
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Earthlings tend to be quite egocentric. Who's to day that only environments similar or somewhat close to our own are capable of life? They may very well be other climates where there is life, even intelligent life, that could no way in hell survive in a climate such as ours. They may see earth from millions of miles away and assume they same thing we do about them -- "no way can that place support life (it's to hot, too cold, they don't have any ______)"



We can make pretty good guesses.

There's a window that compounds form, dissolve, or denature.

If you understand the "constants" then it gets easier to talk about percentage of occurrence of life.



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Posted by Ellunchboxo on 4/28 at 12:13 am to dyslexic
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Well..... Am I right?


Sure, why not.



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Posted by Napoleon on 4/28 at 1:49 am to Brosef Stalin
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t's not instantaneous in the sense that you're there in the blink of an eye, but time slows down as you approach light speed and stops when you reach light speed. Your mass will also increase exponentially so that might be kind of weird.


Actually these are all theories that no one really knows what would happen to solid matter at the speed of light.

Warping of Space time seems to be the way to go. It is just as much of a pipe dream as Lightspeed travel, but exponentially faster than the speed of light (in time it takes to travel distances) If such a thing as warping space-time is possible.

(always liked how Heisenberg sort of says faster than light travel is impossible, then Star Trek explains that all ships have Heisenberg compensators)

I don't even know if Stephen Hawking even has the slightest idea what would happen at the speed of light to people.



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Posted by el Gaucho on 4/28 at 1:49 am to baytiger
who gives a shit? lets bomb those aliens


proud to be an american baby



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Posted by ToesOnTheNose213 on 4/28 at 3:40 am to bobbyray21
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quote: I don't think this will do us much good. It will take infinite energy to move a spaceship at light speed.


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Support this statement, please.


E=mc^2



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Posted by ToesOnTheNose213 on 4/28 at 3:54 am to baytiger
I thought this story sounded familiar. Where has England been the last couple months?
Feb 3rd



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Posted by foshizzle on 4/28 at 7:11 am to GumboPot
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Give me a break...its been 20 years


No, you're correct - time dilation and mass increase would definitely apply.

Time dilation

ETA: To the nonphysicists out there, these are experimentally confirmed phenomena, not mere "theory". One of my favorite experiments involves measuring the half lives of atoms fired in a particle accelerator. The half lives changed by exactly the amount predicted, as though their internal "clocks" had slowed down by that amount.


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Posted by The Future on 4/28 at 7:47 am to TigerBait1127
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it isn't like other galaxies have different ingredients to start life. we know under what conditions life can be sustainable


What he's driving at is maybe another race can survive in sub zero temperatures or an atmosphere filled with hydrogen, etc.



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Posted by AUCE05 on 4/28 at 7:50 am to Bestbank Tiger
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They also can't effectively communicate with Earth, as it will take 22 years to get a message there and 22 years to hear back. So if there are any problems encountered they can't let us know.


If we figure out the whole travel at the speed of light thing, surely our way of communication would evolve, wouldn't it?



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Posted by Drew Orleans on 4/28 at 8:09 am to AUCE05
FWIW, if the ship traveled at the speed of light we would see that it took 22 years to get there. Well really it would be 44 since we would have to wait for the light to travel back. However, if you were on the ship it would only take you roughly 1.54 days to get there.


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Posted by Pectus on 4/28 at 8:50 am to Drew Orleans
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Well really it would be 44 since we would have to wait for the light to travel back. However, if you were on the ship it would only take you roughly 1.54 days to get there.



Oh, you wouldn't be coming back.

You wouldn't want to see your friends aged that much and the world changed that much.



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Posted by Drew Orleans on 4/28 at 8:51 am to Pectus
No, not the ship coming back, the light from the planet reaching here.


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Posted by Cruiserhog on 4/28 at 9:50 am to LSUtoOmaha
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To your friends on earth. But to you in the spaceship traveling at the speed of light, no...it's almost instantaneous.



This is one concept I've never been able to wrap my head around.



Thats because its incorrect

22 years inside a ship traveling at light speed is still 22 years, its probably several millenia to those observing because time dilation is relative to the observer not the participant.

think of it this way...Gps satellites internal clocks are programmed to tick slightly faster than earthbound clocks because of the time dilation we experience with respect to the speed at which they travel. Your calculated coordinates would be off from the true observing point.



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Posted by Cruiserhog on 4/28 at 9:54 am to Drew Orleans
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FWIW, if the ship traveled at the speed of light we would see that it took 22 years to get there. Well really it would be 44 since we would have to wait for the light to travel back. However, if you were on the ship it would only take you roughly 1.54 days to get there.



where do you guys get your education....22 light years is 22 years @ the speed of light or the distance a photon of light travels in the length of time equal to 22 years. out of what arse did you pull 1.54 days.



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Posted by SG_Geaux on 4/28 at 9:56 am to BarlesCharkley
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Who's to day that only environments similar or somewhat close to our own are capable of life?


I don't think anyone is saying that, but we known for damn sure that if we find a planet that has a similar environment, there is a high chance that it can support life.



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Posted by Drew Orleans on 4/28 at 10:09 am to Cruiserhog
The time difference goes the other way. Research it then come talk to me.


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Posted by Drew Orleans on 4/28 at 10:16 am to Cruiserhog
The clocks are forced to tick faster because time itself slows down for them. You made my point for me but are misunderstanding what you said.


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