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Stop Fighting Over The Tank!
Posted by TigerinATL on 4/23 at 8:15 am
Some of us are taking the short term view and some of us are taking the long term view. It would matter if any of us were secretly Demps or Monty, but I don't think that's the case so we are all free to be fans in the way that helps us get more enjoyment out of the team, whether that's focusing on more hope for the future or living in the moment and trying to enjoy each game. At some point you just have to agree to disagree.



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Posted by F1V3LSU on 4/23 at 8:17 am to TigerinATL
21 vs 20 wins is pointless.

One helps us potentially get a better draft pick. The other does nothing.

TANK



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Posted by RonFNSwanson on 4/23 at 8:18 am to TigerinATL



this is turning into a JJ/JL situation.....I can't wait for this season to be over so this shite will stop



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Posted by CQQ on 4/23 at 8:19 am to F1V3LSU
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One helps us potentially get a better draft pick. The other does nothing.


I agree but it was hard not to pull for the team last night. Hell, the way they play, it's hard to pull against them any night.



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Posted by F1V3LSU on 4/23 at 8:19 am to CQQ
FIGHT ME


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Posted by TigerinATL on 4/23 at 8:27 am to F1V3LSU
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21 vs 20 wins is pointless.


That doesn't matter. I personally am pro tank but the anti tankers are aware of the mathematical possibilities and don't seem to care. They believe that they can have 22 victories and a top 3 pick. They may be wrong to believe that but you aren't going to convince them otherwise.

I posted this because I went into last nights game thread to see how the 4th quarter collapse happened but I couldn't find it because it was all arguing over the tank. I just don't see much point to it anymore.



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Posted by F1V3LSU on 4/23 at 8:34 am to TigerinATL
Fun to argue on the internet


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Posted by VOR on 4/23 at 8:40 am to F1V3LSU
It would be one thing if losing out assured "long term" success or even substantially increased the odds in any way that is actually measurable. Alas, it does not. It is fool's gold. You do somewhat increase your odds of obtaining a higher pick, but people misinterpret and overstate the real life impact of those statistics. Some people discount other variables, the most glaring of which is that T-Rob, Sullinger, Drummond or other players may be stars while Davis could be a bust or suffer a career ending injury. Who the frick knows? Nobody on this board or in an NBA scouting department.

My point is that anyone getting their cynical "real fan" or "wise or intelligent fan" panties in a wad if the Hornets had won last night simply misunderstands fact and probabilities. And they demonstrate their immaturity by calling out fans who cheer for a victory on a fan message board. Look, if we're going to lose I hope we catch a high draft pick. But fervently cheering for a loss in any individual game, whether at the end or the beginning of the season, is, in my opinion, ridiculous.

ETA: Sorry for shitting on TiA's message of unity.


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Posted by TigerTatorTots on 4/23 at 8:45 am to VOR
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It would be one thing if losing out assured "long term" success or even substantially increased the odds in any way that is actually measurable. Alas, it does not. It is fool's gold. You do somewhat increase your odds of obtaining a higher pick, but people misinterpret and overstate the real life impact of those statistics. Some people discount other variables, the most glaring of which is that T-Rob, Sullinger, Drummond or other players may be stars while Davis could be a bust or suffer a career ending injury. Who the frick knows? Nobody on this board or in an NBA scouting department.

My point is that anyone getting their cynical "real fan" or "wise or intelligent fan" panties in a wad if the Hornets had won last night is simply misunderstands fact and probabilities. And they demonstrate their immaturity by calling out fans who cheer for a victory on a fan message board. Look, if we're going to lose I hope we catch a high draft pick. But fervently cheering for a loss in any individual game, whether at the end or the beginning of the season, is, in my opinion, ridiculous.







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Posted by Suntiger on 4/23 at 8:50 am to TigerinATL



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Posted by Jester on 4/23 at 8:50 am to TigerTatorTots
Sorry, but I will continue to blast tankers as a-holes and half-hearts as long as they keep bringing that shite up every fricking day.


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Posted by Fearthehat0307 on 4/23 at 8:53 am to Jester
tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank tank


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Posted by RonFNSwanson on 4/23 at 8:54 am to Jester



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Posted by Jester on 4/23 at 8:55 am to TigerinATL
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That doesn't matter. I personally am pro tank but the anti tankers are aware of the mathematical possibilities and don't seem to care. They believe that they can have 22 victories and a top 3 pick. They may be wrong to believe that but you aren't going to convince them otherwise.


We don't seem to care because the mathematical probabilities are just that, probabilities. You're looking for probabilities to counteract the improbabilities of finding a star in the NBA draft. Like VOR said, Tankers take those probabilities as a guarantee of future success, which is downright silly given the historical data that suggests otherwise.



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Posted by Jester on 4/23 at 8:56 am to RonFNSwanson
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Notice that it is always "tankers" that start these threads.



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Posted by VOR on 4/23 at 8:57 am to TigerinATL
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the anti tankers are aware of the mathematical possibilities and don't seem to care. They believe that they can have 22 victories and a top 3 pick.


Read my post carefully.



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Posted by RonFNSwanson on 4/23 at 8:58 am to Jester
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We don't seem to care because the mathematical probabilities are just that, probabilities. You're looking for probabilities to counteract the improbabilities of finding a star in the NBA draft. Like VOR said, Tankers take those probabilities as a guarantee of future success, which is downright silly given the historical data that suggests otherwise.


Exactly. I wish they would stop acting like you need AD to win a championship



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Posted by TigerinATL on 4/23 at 9:00 am to Jester
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You're looking for probabilities to counteract the improbabilities of finding a star in the NBA draft.


I'm more concerned with how far we potentially could fall. I've said all along I want a top 5-6 pick. At that spot we can still get an impact player by draft or trade, drop to 7 or 8 and the odds of getting an immediate impact player go down a lot.

Still, the point of this thread is why keep beating a dead horse, but apparently some of you are enjoying it so carry on I suppose.




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Posted by BeeFense5 on 4/23 at 9:02 am to TigerinATL
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Still, the point of this thread is why keep beating a dead horse, but apparently some of you are enjoying it so carry on I suppose.


I don't think it as bad as you are making it. That MinnesotaTiger guy pissed a lot of people off in the thread with his trolling and outright cheering against the hornets. What you read was the backlash.



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Posted by Fearthehat0307 on 4/23 at 9:03 am to Jester
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Sorry, but I will continue to blast tankers as a-holes and half-hearts as long as they keep bringing that shite up every fricking day.
oh yeah well my dad can beat your dad



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