Fujita first to speak truth or B.S.? You call it.
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Fujita first to speak truth or B.S.? You call it.
Posted by 10888bge on 4/16 at 4:03 pm
Fujita and bounty
I don't know if Goodell will believe him.



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Posted by Breesus on 4/16 at 4:10 pm to 10888bge
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Fujita recently said he paid teammates for big plays when he was a member of the Saints in 2009, but not for intentionally injuring players.


I think this was more the case than anything. And thats what, im pretty sure, the NFLPA's argument to Goodell is. Yes maybe you proved there was a big hit incentive program, but can you prove there was payment made for someone intentionally hurting another player?



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Posted by Lester Earl on 4/16 at 4:10 pm to 10888bge
im not sure why Goodell would believe, especially with the GW tape coming out. It comes full circle since Fujita was the middle man that advised Gleason to release it. though Gleason still had not given Pamphilon permission personally.


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Posted by Breesus on 4/16 at 4:13 pm to Lester Earl
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especially with the GW tape coming out.


That tape shows a DC telling his players to hurt others. Some metaphorical some not so much. It sure proves GW was a dickhead and prob crossed some lines in some pregame meetings, that said the players didnt do any of the stuff he asked of them. He never says if you go hurt someone i will pay you. He doesnt ever say that. You can make that assumption, but you know what they say about assumptions.



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Posted by BlacknGold on 4/16 at 4:17 pm to Breesus
yeah the NFL is really trying to dick over the NFLPA and the actual process.

more reports came out today restating that the NFL has yet to show clear evidence (or really any) that players were actually paid to injure players. if nothing comes out, the suspensions will probably be pretty light.

such bull shite that the players get the NFLPA to back them up but coaches get fricked by one man.



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Posted by Breesus on 4/16 at 4:20 pm to BlacknGold
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such bull shite that the players get the NFLPA to back them up but coaches get fricked by one man.



Yeah. If the coaches wanted to form a union, i guess they could. But i dont see that happening. It sucks. The other coaches couldn't back him cause theyd just get suspended too, or atleast risk uncovering some of their own skeletons.



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Posted by JDat on 4/16 at 4:26 pm to Lester Earl
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It comes full circle since Fujita was the middle man that advised Gleason to release it.


First i hear of this



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Posted by Hoodoo Man on 4/16 at 4:30 pm to Lester Earl
LE, what the hell are you talking about?


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Posted by 10888bge on 4/16 at 4:33 pm to Breesus
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Yeah. If the coaches wanted to form a union, i guess they could. But i dont see that happening.

i think the coaches do have a union. I remember it being mentioned in the month or so leading up to the lockout.



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Posted by Breesus on 4/16 at 4:36 pm to 10888bge
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i think the coaches do have a union


really? didnt know that. How many of them are actually in it?



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Posted by 10888bge on 4/16 at 4:40 pm to Breesus
Yup, I just looked it up, NFLCA must be a dues-paying member of said org.


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Posted by Lester Earl on 4/16 at 4:46 pm to Breesus
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That tape shows a DC telling his players to hurt others. Some metaphorical some not so much. It sure proves GW was a dickhead and prob crossed some lines in some pregame meetings, that said the players didnt do any of the stuff he asked of them. He never says if you go hurt someone i will pay you. He doesnt ever say that. You can make that assumption, but you know what they say about assumptions.



the tape all but confirms the reports that came out that Williams and guys like Vilma offered bounties for injuring players.

Now i firmly believe they were paid if a player was injured within the frame work of the game rather than intentionally taking out a player, but i doubt the NFL cares.



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Posted by Breesus on 4/16 at 4:50 pm to Lester Earl
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the tape all but confirms the reports


I agree. It doesnt confirm them.

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i firmly believe they were paid if a player was injured within the frame work of the game rather than intentionally taking out a player,


Like i said about the assumptions. Do you have proof he actually did that? You and Goodell can believe all you want, but proof is what you need to condemn. I'm not saying he did or didn't do it. Just want proof that he actually did it.



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Posted by Lester Earl on 4/16 at 4:52 pm to Breesus
connect the dots dude. It's not that hard.

If Goodell didn't have hard proof, his coaching career wouldnt be in jeopardy.



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Posted by motorbreath on 4/16 at 4:55 pm to 10888bge
It's not a union, it's a trade association. It doesn't have near the power of a union. Next to no power at all actually.


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Posted by Breesus on 4/16 at 4:56 pm to Lester Earl
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connect the dots dude. It's not that hard.


I'm not saying you dont have a bunch of circumstantial evidence seems to point towards a conclusion. The problem is there is no hard concrete proof of said conclusion. I could see someone easily making a case against all the evidence. Without a video or testimony of Williams saying "Good job hurting that guy on purpose like i told you too, here is X amount of money", I'm not going to be happy.

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If Goodell didn't have hard proof, his coaching career wouldnt be in jeopardy.



Explain to the NFLPA. I get that there is proof that he had a pay for performance system and there is proof that he said to hurt people, but there is no hard evidence proving that he paid players to hurt other players.


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Posted by Lester Earl on 4/16 at 4:56 pm to Hoodoo Man


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Posted by GOP_Tiger on 4/16 at 5:48 pm to Lester Earl
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It comes full circle since Fujita was the middle man that advised Gleason to release it. though Gleason still had not given Pamphilon permission personally.

I made a thread on this topic this morning based on a false headline on ESPN. Have you seen it somewhere else?



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Posted by Lester Earl on 4/16 at 6:03 pm to GOP_Tiger
I just read that article. Didn't know it was public though.

3-4 weeks before the tape was released, Pamphilon went to Gleason and felt like he should release the tape. Gleason didn't want to, and they decided to confide with a middle man. The middle man was Fujita. Brees was also involved but his PR people told him to breakaway from it and not get involved.

Fujita told them they should release the tape so that all the pressure would be off the current Saint players and coaches, and to put all the attention to Williams.


This article is the first im reading that the players association got access of the tape. But it makes sense since Fujita was that middle man they talked to about releasing the tape. I dont have any info on that. Whether he was given permission to do that or not.


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Posted by SaintEB on 4/16 at 6:11 pm to Lester Earl
The NFLPA is still saying that the NFL has presented no evidence that there was, specifically, a pay-to-injure program.


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