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re: It's time for LSU students and bar owners to surrender Tigerlandquote: Isolated incident? Where the frick have you been for the last 7-8 years? Reply • Back to Top |
quote: I've never said that all poor people are criminals. But section 8 housing, however good intentioned (and I'm skeptical of that as well) brings with it a bad element that ultimately drives the decent people, (of all colors, and incomes) away, and leaves behind those that commit, condone, or simply ignore the crimes. quote: How can you separate the "good" section-8ers from the "bad" ones though? It's societal distillation. Reply • Back to Top |
| I believe we are saying the same things without realizing it. I believe that investors and the city should get involved and make it a HUGE if not the biggest concern on the agenda to clean the area around campus up. My argument was solely that the only thing your typical lsu student can do to protect himself is write his local politicians and quit frequenting that area. If enough students (you know the people who pay those bars electric bills) do that then the bars will either close and move (worse case scenario but still better than our students walking through a warzone to get to this schools social area) or better yet theyto just maybe begin taking an interest in cleaning up their neighborhood. Reply • Back to Top |
quote: It also leaves behind the ones who can't afford to live anywhere else and thus are trapped in these horrible environments aka most of them. quote: You are right. Now how can we separate the "good" rich from the "bad ones? I guess because you perceive wealth to equate with morality or inate goodness that all those with money are "good". Reply • Back to Top |
quote: I'm sorry, but that doesn't even deserve a comment past this one.  Reply • Back to Top |
quote: Oh, I don't bear any animosity and our desire is much the same, yet our thoughts on the solution to the problem vary. My problem with your suggestion of financial abandonment is that will ultimately fail due to several factors, IMHO 1. Without income from patrons, the owners will more likely abandon and build in the "new area" than renovate things in a "bad area". They'll probably sell to the bar equivalent of slumlords that will cater to the less desirable element in the area already, compounding the problem and accelerating the downfall of the area and spreading it. 2. Some students will still frequent the old bars and neighborhoods and the interactions with the negative element that will take root will inevitably turn out badly. 3. Once the area is fully under the grip of the negative element, there will be little incentive (or ability) to reclaim it. It will spread farther and farther until the "new area" is experiencing the same problems. I just can't see any scenario where Appeasment, surrender, and retreat will have a net positive effect for the university and the surrounding community in the long run. Reply • Back to Top |
quote: So the solution is to allow and support the spread of the "bad areas" to section 8 housing, thus dooming more poor folks to the same fate, and more areas to urban blight? quote: Stay with me and I'll explain why. Get rid of your perceptions of what you think I think and allow me to tell you what I think. quote: First off, make any section 8 (which I thoroughly disagree with on principle) allowance or the like much more restrictive and tied to real indicators of positive economic, educational, and behavioural performance. Make criminal charges grounds for immediate loss of benefits. Limit the number of section 8 housing in areas. And foster an positive element that doesn't tolerate the negative element and backs it up with force. Change the culture. quote: This is just silly. And the word is spelled Innate This post was edited on 4/15 at 7:21 am Reply • Back to Top |
| They should make criminal charges grounds for getting rid of ANY benefit. Reply • Back to Top |
quote: Baby steps. Baby steps. Reply • Back to Top |
| I know but I've been getting extra aggravated lately. It's tax season-does It to me every year. if your not going to act like a functioning member of society, why should you get any help? Reply • Back to Top |
| We need another place to play basketball, what's the problem? Reply • Back to Top |
quote: Are you familiar with the concept of tribute? The Barabary wars might be an interesting read for you. It's equitable to Appeasement in the long run, IMO. It's dressed up in the guise of helping the less fortunate, but ultimately creates a class of those that demand continual (and growing) payments in order to keep the peace, and a vote farm for politicians who supply them with such from the public coffers. It is unsustainable in the long run and ultimately detrimental to the assimilation of these people into productive society. Reply • Back to Top |
| What he is saying is that low income housing naturally brings crime along with it so naturally low income housing doesn't belong near a university Reply • Back to Top |
Posted by tom on 4/15 at 7:53 am to TheRoarRestoredInBR quote: That is the dumbest post in a thread where a redneck wants to intimidate black people out of certain areas of the city.Reply • Back to Top |
quote: Naturally. thanks for putting it into laymans termsReply • Back to Top |
quote: Well now you qualify for the dumbest post in the thread Thomas. Good job! Reply • Back to Top |
Posted by tom on 4/15 at 7:57 am to fr33manator Man, I need to follow your posts more often. Sheer entertainment. You know there are black people in St Gabriel, right?Reply • Back to Top |
| You realize that black people=\= section 8ers Right? Or do you think that all blacks are the same? Hmmmmmmmm?????? And I don't live in St. Gabriel Reply • Back to Top |
| I've said this once on here already. But for the TL area to change or for local authorities to get involved seriously. It's going to take for an incident with a certain kind of female being involved in it. It's sad that something this drastic will have to take place for true change to happen. But until then, LSU,BRPD & the local owners of bars in TL are not going to care very much. Reply • Back to Top |
quote: Sad but true, unfortunately. Reply • Back to Top • Refresh |
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