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re: Why piracy is commonquote: I have zero problems with that so sell me a subscription to HBOGo for $15/month or whatever they charge for it to cable subscribers. Reply • Back to Top |
| if this is an argument about ala carte TV programming, then i am more than on your side. I just dont think HBO owes anything to anyone. Im not sure what it would take for HBO to be able to be a stand alone service. Reply • Back to Top |
quote: So pay $20 to watch a series one time and not own it? Yea that makes sense Reply • Back to Top |
quote: I don't think they "owe" me anything either. I think they're fricking themselves over and then complaining about a piracy "problem" that they themselves cause. eta: yes, there will always be people who prefer piracy because it's free, even if it's easier to pay for the product. Here's the kicker though: No matter how impossible it is to pirate something, the media companies would NEVER make any money off of these people, because if it were too much trouble to pirate it they just wouldn't bother watching it. This post was edited on 4/8 at 5:34 pm Reply • Back to Top |
quote: they should do this.. im guessing they cant though, because of their deal with cable providers Reply • Back to Top |
quote: you could always wait for the DVD. But to your point, you cant expect all the perks of subscribers, and then refuse to subscribe Reply • Back to Top |
quote: Thats not what I'm asking for. Hell I am subscriber but they want to bitch about piracy when they are doing absolutely nothing to meet their customer base half way to attempt to curb the problem. There will always be people who pirate movies, music, games etc because of the free factor but there is also a large population of people who torrent for convenience. Make it more convenient for them to watch what they want and they'll do it legally Reply • Back to Top |
I want so much to comment on this thread, but I stopped here, more to come: quote: But if they can't find a way to utilize technology, change their business model and then make programming, maybe they shouldn't be making programming? I'm not cable subscriber, and I would love to have HBO, but why do I have to have cable first. Then pay extra for HBO? Why? Why make it so difficult? I'll put it this way, and I know this isn't some kind of angry argument, but think about it like this: People in the early part of this thread are asking HBO to change their business model. And some find that unfair right? How many times do they ask us to change HOW WE CONSUME? VCR's? DVD's? Tapes? Capes? LCD's? HD televisions? Radios? 8-tracks? Of course it's all a choice at some point, but sometimes it becomes a requirement. So we buy and consume everything else. As a market we remain flexible in our needs. We get what we want, but we ALWAYS PAY FOR IT. At least in the grand scheme of things. How many wasted millions of dollars are out their on discarded stuff? Or tapes that were played into oblivion? How fast did the HD television change pentrate? That's also not all HBO, obviously, but it's all entertainment. They force those changes sometimes. What if I still wanted to listen to tapes? What about LPs? Some people still argue about that sound is better on an LP. Why can't WE ask the same thing of them? Why can't they be flexible? Why can't they change and give us content the best, most efficient and cost effective way? Because they don't want to. Because it would "undermine their current business models." Because it would allow the consumers more choice, therefore cutting down on the crap that they produce. But yet, whatever change comes next, you'll be forced to switch. They'll stop making DVD's soon. Stop supporting them. And we'll HAVE to change, no questions ask. Sure it will be better quality, that's usually a given, but you won't have a choice. Reply • Back to Top |
quote:the real irony is, of course, that the media industries fought VCRs and cassette recorders tooth and nail before they became massive profit machines for them. I think, eventually, digital media will likewise win the fight. Big media just has to hurry up and accept it instead of wasting so much money (and violating their consumer base) by fighting it. Reply • Back to Top |
| My parents pay for cable and HBO, but our cable services provider (Eatel) isn't on the list of approved service providers for HBOGO. Therefor, we're paying for a product (HBOGO) that HBO won't let us use despite us paying for it legally. The only redeemer is that we can watch it OnDemand for free since we already have HBO. However, that keeps me from being able to use HBO to watch it at campus on my laptop when I'm at school. Reply • Back to Top |
| What is the difference from borrowing a DVD and downloading a torrent? Are they both wrong because I didn't buy the DVD? Reply • Back to Top |
quote: white people problems Reply • Back to Top |
quote: Ah but we can, you listed several new technologies that all succeed and I'd argue that where superior to the predecessors. What about all new products that failed miserably because the market rejected them? Like for examples Laser discs? Smokeless cigarettes. Apple's Newton. Betamax. New Coke? quote: Its difficult to comment on this because we don't know the financial particulars. But shows like BSG (and Games of Thrones) no doubt cost a lot of money to produce. I don't know how much networks like SyFY makes from subscriber fees (HBO I'm guessing makes more since it cost extra on top of basic) but they also make money off advertising. You guys want to pay less for the shows you want to watch and skip the commercials and expect someone to still put out shows like that. With out those bundling revenues it might be cost prohibitive to produce something risky and expensive like that. One think you guys are forgetting is that while you are paying for channels you don't, so is everybody else. There are a lot more people that just want ESPN than some of the other channels. Let those guys pay for just that and maybe things like SyFY die out. You are more likely to get safe stuff that appeals to the medium if you go exclusively ala carte. If you like Jersey Shore and Storage Wars, well you'll get that, stuff like BSG and GOT? I don't know. surely there is a median in there that allows for people to pay for more in demand, but strictly ala carte on demand is not necessarily what the public wants. Reply • Back to Top |
quote: If you borrow your friends DVD, he can't watch it at the same time as you do. If he uploads it onto a computer, you him and literally millions of other people can watch the same thing. Its the difference between borrowing a book and photocopying it. Reply • Back to Top |
quote: Then don't pay it. quote: I imagine they will eventually. Just wait. Reply • Back to Top |
quote: The publicly owned studios and production companies will take some of their profits and put it into other programing/movies you might want to watch/ quote: I don't think they get the part that a shows like GOT might not get made if all they could get was a couple of bucks and episode or whatever piece of netflix 7.99 fee they get. Reply • Back to Top |
| And let's be honest, the "pirates" that would be willing to purchase content otherwise but can't find it available anywhere are probably a VERY minuscule percentage of the actual piracy issue media is facing. Reply • Back to Top |
quote:probably in about a year. Why don't they want my money now? I thought they liked money. Reply • Back to Top |
quote: They do, it will be $15 or whatever for the HBO subscription if you want it NOW. If that's too much wait. If you don't want to pay $8-12 to see a new movie, should they make it available at the same time to you at move for less? I don't want to pay $250.00 for lower deck seats to Roger Waters at the Toyota Center in a couple of weeks, is it OK if I just sneak in to the show? I mean its his fault for not offering prime tickets at a price I'm willing to pay. This post was edited on 4/8 at 9:52 pm Reply • Back to Top |
quote: I disagree. I think it would be a very large portion of the problem population. Reply • Back to Top • Refresh |
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