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Posted by blueslover on 1/21 at 12:50 pm to blueslover
Former scout on NFL network Daniel Jeremiah Top 50

1 Clowney, Jadeveon DE South Carolina Junior SEC NR Clowney is first pick for both analysts in mock drafts
01/15/2014
2 Watkins, Sammy WR Clemson Junior ACC NR Brooks: Watkins is top WR in 2014 draft class
01/15/2014
3 Robinson, Greg OT Auburn * Sophomore SEC NR Brooks: Robinson is top OT in 2014 draft class
01/15/2014
4 Barr, Anthony OLB UCLA Senior Pac-12 NR Brooks: Barr is top OLB in 2014 draft class
01/15/2014
5 Matthews, Jake OT Texas A&M Senior SEC NR
6 Jernigan, Timmy DT Florida St. Junior ACC NR
7 Manziel, Johnny QB Texas A&M * Sophomore SEC NR Brandt: Manziel is No. 1 on top 50 prospects list
01/15/2014
8 Mack, Khalil OLB Buffalo Senior Mid-American NR Mack has decided not to attend Senior Bowl
01/15/2014
9 Mosley, C.J. OLB Alabama Senior SEC NR Brooks: Mosley is top inside 'backer in 2014 draft class
01/15/2014
10 Bridgewater, Teddy QB Louisville Junior AAC NR Brooks: Bridgewater is top QB in 2014 draft class
01/14/2014
11 Ebron, Eric TE North Carolina Junior ACC NR Brooks: Ebron is top tight end in 2014 draft class
01/15/2014
12 Lewan, Taylor OT Michigan Senior Big Ten NR
13 Evans, Mike WR Texas A&M * Sophomore SEC NR
14 Pryor, Calvin FS Louisville Junior AAC NR
15 Clinton-Dix, Ha Ha FS Alabama Junior SEC NR Brooks: Clinton-Dix is top safety in 2014 draft class
01/15/2014
16 Benjamin, Kelvin WR Florida St. * Sophomore ACC NR
17 Nix III, Louis DT Notre Dame * Junior IA Independents NR Brooks: Nix is top defensive tackle in 2014 draft class
01/15/2014
18 Gilbert, Justin CB Oklahoma St. Senior Big 12 NR Brooks: Gilbert is top cornerback in 2014 draft class
01/15/2014
19 Dennard, Darqueze CB Michigan St. Senior Big Ten NR
20 Lee, Marqise WR USC Junior Pac-12 NR
21 Hyde, Carlos RB Ohio St. Senior Big Ten NR
22 Bortles, Blake QB Central Florida * Junior AAC NR
23 Hageman, Ra'Shede DT Minnesota Senior Big Ten NR
24 Seferian-Jenkins, Austin TE Washington Junior Pac-12 NR
25 Martin, Zack OT Notre Dame Senior IA Independents NR
26 Amaro, Jace TE Texas Tech Junior Big 12 NR
27 Kouandjio, Cyrus OT Alabama Junior SEC NR

As rankings start to come into focus, there are several intriguing top guys who would not be shockers if available at #27-
Mosley
Ebron or Amaro
Haha
#3 CB whoever it is
#4 WR ditto
#3 or 4 OT



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Posted by Chad504boy on 1/21 at 12:51 pm to blueslover
quote:

As rankings start to come into focus, there are several intriguing top guys who would not be shockers if available at #27-
Mosley



what makes you think this dude falls to 27? He's becoming more of a top 10 lock.



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Posted by mm2316 on 1/21 at 1:06 pm to blueslover
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I've seen more the other way but as said, means nothing now.

Not trying to pick an argument about pointless mocks 3 months before the draft, but every mock or rankings I've seen in the last 2 weeks has Gilbert over Verrett. Is that a sign of Verrett slipping/Gilbert rising, or just uncertainty this far out? Gilbert would be my choice of the 2 given his size and return ability.



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Posted by blueslover on 1/21 at 5:09 pm to mm2316
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what makes you think this dude falls to 27? He's becoming more of a top 10 lock.

What dude? I wasn't forwarding any particular player falling. Just when ya come up with a Top 15 you can usually expect a few surprisers to slip 10 spots or to the 2nd Rd. LBs, Safeties, & TEs are frequently the most common fallers.
quote:

Gilbert over Verrett

yeah, I don't put a firm handle on the rankings at all yet. No surprise if Gilbert ends up the top one.



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Posted by blueslover on 1/22 at 3:35 pm to blueslover
scout.com

DE 1 Jadeveon Clowney JR 6-6/280/- South Carolina Rock Hill, SC
OT 2 Jake Matthews SR 6-5/305/- Texas A&M Missouri City, TX
OLB 3 Anthony Barr SR 6-4/245/- UCLA Los Angeles, CA
WR 4 Sammy Watkins JR 6-1/180/- Clemson Fort Myers, FL
QB 5 Teddy Bridgewater JR 6-3/196/- Louisville Miami, FL
QB 6 Johnny Manziel SO 6-1/210/- Texas A&M Kerrville, TX
DT 7 Ra'shede Hageman SR 6-6/311/- Minnesota Minneapolis, MN
OLB 8 Khalil Mack SR 6-2.5/245/- Buffalo Fort Pierce, FL
MLB 9 C.J. Mosley Jr. SR 6-2/225/- Alabama Theodore, AL
OT 10 Greg Robinson SO 6-5/314/- Auburn Thibodaux, LA
QB 11 Blake Bortles JR 6-4/230/- UCF Oviedo, FL
DT 12 Timmy Jernigan JR 6-3/301/- Florida State Lake City, FL
QB 13 Derek Carr SR 6-3/218/- Fresno State Bakersfield, CA
OT 14 Taylor Lewan SR 6-8/308/- Michigan Scottsdale, AZ
CB 15 Darqueze Dennard SR 5-11/188/- Michigan State Jeffersonville, GA
S 16 HaHa Clinton-Dix JR 6-1/203/- Alabama Orlando, FL
WR 17 Mike Evans SO 6-5/225/- Texas A&M Galveston, TX
DT 18 Louis Nix SR 6-2.5/357/- Notre Dame Jacksonville, FL
WR 19 Kelvin Benjamin SO 6-6/242/- Florida State Belle Glade, FL
OT 20 Zack Martin SR 6-4/308/- Notre Dame Indianapolis, IN
WR 21 Marqise Lee JR 6-0/190/- USC Gardena, CA
OLB 22 Ryan Shazier JR 6-2/210/- Ohio State Plantation, FL
TE 23 Eric Ebron JR 6-4/230/- North Carolina Greensboro, NC
DE 24 Stephon Tuitt JR 6-6/322/- Notre Dame Monroe, GA
CB 25 Lamarcus Joyner SR 5-8/193/- Florida State Fort Lauderdale, FL
OT 26 Cyrus Kouandjio JR 6-6/322/- Alabama Hyattsville, MD
DT 27 Aaron Donald SR 6-0/285/- Pittsburgh Pittsburgh, PA
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OLB 28 Kyle Van Noy SR 6-3/240/- BYU Reno, NV
WR 29 Jordan Matthews SR 6-3/205/- Vanderbilt Madison, AL
RB 30 Ka'Deem Carey JR 5-10/197/- Arizona Tucson, AZ
TE 31 Jace Amaro JR 6-5/255/- Texas Tech San Antonio, TX
RB 32 Tre Mason JR 5-10/198/- Auburn Lake Worth, FL
DE 33 Kony Ealy SR 6-6/236/- Missouri New Madrid, MO
OG 34 Cyril Richardson SR 6-4/305/- Baylor Fort Worth, TX
CB 35 Bradley Roby JR 5-11/185/- Ohio State Suwanee, GA
S 36 Calvin Pryor JR 6-2/210/- Louisville Port Saint Joe, FL
DT 37 Dominique Easley SR 6-1/285/- Florida Staten Island, NY
QB 38 Tajh Boyd SR 6-1/215/- Clemson Hampton, VA
WR 39 Odell Beckham Jr. JR 6-0/187/- LSU New Orleans, LA
CB 40 Justin Gilbert SR 6-0/194/- Oklahoma State Huntsville, TX
OT 41 Morgan Moses SR 6-6/325/- Virginia Richmond, VA
DT 42 Anthony Johnson JR 6-1.5/310/- LSU New Orleans, LA
QB 43 Aaron Murray SR 6-1/210/- Georgia Tampa, FL
RB 44 Jeremy Hill SO 6-1/235/- LSU Baton Rouge, LA
WR 45 Brandin Cooks JR 5-10/186/- Oregon State Stockton, CA
OG 46 Xavier Su'a-Filo JR 6-3/304/- UCLA Provo, UT
QB 47 Zach Mettenberger SR 6-5/235/- LSU Watkinsville, GA
RB 48 Lache Seastrunk JR 5-10/205/- Baylor Temple, TX
OLB 49 Telvin Smith SR 6-3/210/- Florida State Valdosta, GA
CB 50 Aaron Colvin SR 6-0/181/- Oklahoma Owasso, OK

Big Boards are different than mocks but I still always look upwards from the Saints pick (#27) and try to figure who could slip down out of those. HaHa might be the highest rated player I can imagine down to 27 this year. The Saints are strong on value. The more can't-pass-on the player is the less the position makes any difference.



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Posted by Neauxla on 1/22 at 3:59 pm to blueslover
Tre Mason is WAY too high


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Posted by blueslover on 1/22 at 4:11 pm to Neauxla
on that one, don't think cracked the list on the others

Comparing them all is a good gauge.



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Posted by blueslover on 1/27 at 11:30 am to blueslover
updates after the Sr Bowl...

Top 200

*Javedon Clowney DE South Carolina (X)
Jake Matthews OT Texas A&M
*Sammie Watkins WR Clemson
*Greg Robinson OT Auburn
Anthony Barr LB UCLA
*Teddy Bridgewater QB Louisville
*Johnny Manziel QB Texas A&M
Khalil Mack LB Buffalo
*Blake Bortles QB Central Florida
CJ Mosely LB Alabama
Taylor Lewan OT Michigan
*Mike Evans WR Texas A&M
*Eric Ebron TE North Carolina
Darqueze Dennard CB Michigan State
*Marqise Lee WR Southern California (X)
*Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix FS Alabama (O)
Zach Martin OT Notre Dame (OG)
*Kelvin Benjamin WR Florida State
*Cyrus Kouandjio OT Alabama
Louis Nix DT Notre Dame (X)
Derek Carr QB Fresno State
Ra'Shede Hageman DT Minnesota (O)
Justin Gilbert CB Oklahoma State
*Kony Ealy DE Missouri
*Timmie Jernigan DT Florida State
*Stephen Tuitt DE Notre Dame (X)
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*Jace Amaro TE Texas Tech
*Calvin Pryor FS Louisville
Aaron Donald DT Pittsburgh
*Ryan Shazier LB Ohio State
*Allen Robinson WR Penn State
Dee Ford OLB Auburn
*David Yankey OG Stanford (OT)
Austin Seferin-Jenkins TE Washington (O)
*Scott Crichton DE Oregon State
Jason Verrett CB TCU
*Davante Adams WR Fresno State
Jimmy Garoppolo QB Eastern Illinois
*Brandin Cooks WR Oregon State
*Ka'Deem Carey RB Arizona (X)
*Marcus Roberson CB Florida (X)
Kyle Van Noy LB BYU
Travis Swanson C Arkansas
*Odell Beckham WR LSU
Cyril Richardson OG Baylor (OT)
*Tre Mason RB Auburn
*Bradley Roby CB Ohio State (O)
*Kelcy Quarles DT South Carolina
Carlos Hyde RB Ohio State (O)
*Tiny Richardson OT Tennessee
Will Sutton DT Arizona State
Trent Murphy DE Stanford (OLB)
Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt
*Xavier Su'a-Filo OG UCLA
Lamarcus Joyner CB Florida State
Trevor Reilly OLB Utah (DE)
Zach Mettenberger QB LSU (X)
Jackson Jeffcoat DE Texas (X)

I always draw a line at the Saints pick number then look up from there as to who might fall and who ya might hope for.

from this list- Mosley, Ebron, from Dix to Tuitt most any of'em



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Posted by Chad504boy on 1/27 at 11:33 am to blueslover
You keep bringing up Mosley as a possible faller. I asked why, you dodged the question.


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Posted by blueslover on 1/27 at 11:42 am to Chad504boy
know that discussion has gone on. simply this...

only 3-4OLBs get a real premium push on their value. Any ILB or 4-3 OLB commonly fall in drafts. It's just the position impact/value.

So that factor, then Mosley is no sure fire top LB in this draft. More have Barr ranked higher. Just as many have Mack as high or higher than him. So it's a devalued position for the 1st Rd and Mosley might be the 3rd ranked one overall.

Number of LBs drafted before #27 by year-
2013 1
2012 1
2011 2
2010 3
2009 5
2008 2
2007 3



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Posted by Chad504boy on 1/27 at 11:46 am to blueslover
I'd be stunned if mosley fell out of top 20. Maybe barr pushes him out of top 10-12 range but that doesn't mean he falls out of top 20 still.


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Posted by blueslover on 1/27 at 11:58 am to Chad504boy
we need to polish up our draft semantics

I wouldn't be stunned. I'll go pleasantly surprised. The question is would he be a MUST PICK on value selection? I could see a CB or OT that might be lower on the big board they might take over Mosley. Still, all that is to be seen as to how free agency shakes out the team needs.



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Posted by Chad504boy on 1/27 at 12:02 pm to blueslover
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The question is would he be a MUST PICK on value selection?


Not only would he be a must pick, if we passed on him, i would kick loomis in the nuts and join team lester.



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Posted by blueslover on 1/27 at 12:08 pm to Chad504boy
the majority was prolly in that same camp for passing on Jarvis Jones. That worked out.

/good thread- What previous college players did you want more than the Saints pick that actually would have been better



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Posted by Chad504boy on 1/27 at 12:14 pm to blueslover
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What previous college players did you want more than the Saints pick that actually would have been better


Clay Matthews



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Posted by Neauxla on 1/27 at 12:24 pm to Chad504boy
Jerod Mayo

And we traded up for Sedrick. Ugh.



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Posted by JohnZeroQ on 1/27 at 12:30 pm to blueslover
And this is just me talking, maybe the homer in me talking, BUT for what the Saints need and where he is slated to go JARVIS LANDRY should be drafted by the Saints.

I don't understand how he isn't ranked higher.



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Posted by Chad504boy on 1/27 at 12:35 pm to Neauxla
quote:

Jerod Mayo


yea i hate mayo but that year i was all about mayo.



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Posted by blueslover on 1/27 at 12:42 pm to JohnZeroQ
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I don't understand how he isn't ranked higher.

guys that aren't big and don't have great times (4.53) don't get premium value.

I do think he could have a more impressive pro career than college. He does have the very most important ingredient for a receiver IMO- great hands.

A little more girth without losing speed and I could see some Anquan Boldin potential (a #54 pick for the same reasons).



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Posted by tconle2 on 1/27 at 1:14 pm to blueslover
New Orleans Saints:
1/24: "Couple notes overheard from the #Saints scouts around me. One razzed another about liking Kyle Van Noy." - DraftTV.com's Shane Hall

From WalterFootball

LINK



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