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Posted by blueslover on 1/18 at 11:53 am
There seems to be more early draft talk here than in past years. Last year at #15 we could hone the list of possibilities pretty close. The further down ya go the more fluid the choice becomes. This year at #27 compares closest to 2011 Jordan and Ingram (#24 & 28) and Meachem in '07 (#27).

Rather than look at positions and players specifically, a helpful insight is to get a sense of Big Board rankings (not mock drafts). By the draft we will prolly have a list of 12-15 players that would be categorized as no way available at #27. If any of them would be available they would likely fall into the the can't pass on category.

So it's way early but here's some early big boards for your perusal-

Scott Wright Draft Countdown
1. Jadeveon Clowney DE South Carolina
Rare pass rusher with truly freakish blend of size and athleticism.
2. Anthony Barr OLBUCLA
Super fast and athletic with dynamic pass rush ability off the edge.
3. Jake Matthews OT Texas A&M
Elite bloodlines and might be a better prospect than Luke Joeckel.
4. Teddy Bridgewater QB Louisville
Polished signal caller with good physical tools and top intangibles.
5. Greg Robinson OT Auburn
Incredible mix of strength and athleticism and just a sophomore.
6. Sammy Watkins WR Clemson
Athletic big play threat is a potential go-to target at the next level.
7. Taylor Lewan OT Michigan
Big, well-rounded, battle-tested blocker in the mold of Jake Long.
8. Khalil Mack OLB Buffalo
Explosive playmaker excels versus the run, pass and as a blitzer.
9. C.J. Mosley ILB Alabama
Undersized but very athletic with positional / schematic versatility.
10. Eric Ebron TE North Carolina
Just the type of athletic pass catcher that is en vogue in the NFL.
11. Louis Nix DT Notre Dame
340 lb. space-eater in middle but can also penetrate and disrupt.
12. Justin Gilbert CB Oklahoma St.
Erratic but talent to be a shutdown corner and elite return man.
13. Mike Evans WR Texas A&M
Physically imposing wideout must answer questions about speed.
14. Stephon Tuitt DE Notre Dame
Jumbo DE / DT can play in 4-3 or 3-4 but not an elite pass rusher.
15. Bradley Roby CB Ohio St.
Average size but terrific athleticism, speed and program pedigree.
16. Cyrus Kouandjio OT Alabama
Prototypical physical tools and is effective in pass and run games.
17. Ra'Shede Hageman DT Minnesota
Former basketball standout with freakish size, speed, athleticism.
18. Marqise Lee WR USC
Electrifying playmaker but slight build and durability are concerns.
19. Timmy Jernigan DT Florida St.
Undersized penetrating three-technique with excellent quickness
20. Kony Ealy DE Missouri
Raw but developing talent with a large frame and major upside.
21. David Yankey OG Stanford
Big, powerful athlete gets the job done as a run and pass blocker.
22. Ryan Shazier OLB Ohio St.
Undersized but compensates with exceptional speed and instincts.
23. Zack Martin OT Notre Dame
4-year starter at left tackle but may kick inside at the next level.
24. Hasean Clinton-Dix S Alabama
Prototypical size / speed and effective against both pass and run.
25. Darqueze Dennard CB Michigan St.
Aggressive with solid physical tools and even better intangibles.
26. Trent Murphy DE Stanford
Limited athletically but is extremely tough with a non-stop motor.
27. Jace Amaro TE Texas Tech
Great athlete with a large frame is essentially a WR in a TE's body.
28. Calvin Pryor S Louisville
Super aggressive and will deliver the big hit but speed a concern.
29. Cyril Richardson OG Baylor
Massive, powerful blocker could project either inside or outside.
30. Blake Bortles QB Central Florida
Big, athletic and strong armed but is still rough around the edges.
31. Kelvin Benjamin WR Florida St.
Extremely athletic with a huge frame but is raw for a 23-year-old.
32. Johnny Manziel QB Texas A&M
Flashy playmaker but concerns about physical tools / intangibles


Walter Football
Top 5
Clowney
Barr
Matthews
Watkins
Bridgewater

Top 10
Mack
Manziel
Lewan
Nix
Evans

Top 15
Mosley
Vic Beasley DE/OLB Clemson
Tuitt
Ealy
Clinton-Dix

Top 20
Richardson
Ebron
Lee
Derek Carr QB Fresno St
Austin Seferian-Jenkins TE Washington

Top 25
Amaro
Gilbert
Murphy
Bortles
Kouandjio

Round 1-2 Prospects:
Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State
Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota
Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State
Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame
Marcus Roberson, CB, Florida
Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
Dominique Easley, DE, Florida
Ka'Deem Carey, RB, Arizona
Kyle Van Noy, OLB, BYU
Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State
Xavier Su'a-Filo, G, UCLA
Tajh Boyd, QB, Clemson
Allen Robinson, WR, Penn State
Lache Seastrunk, RB, Baylor
Cyril Richardson, G, Baylor
Scott Crichton, DE, Oregon State
Loucheiz Purifoy, CB, Florida
Ego Ferguson, DT, LSU
Anthony Johnson, DT, LSU
Zach Mettenberger, QB, LSU

DraftTek
1 -- Jadeveon Clowney South Carolina 6'5" 272 DE43 OLB34 0 BIO --
2 -- Teddy Bridgewater Louisville 6'3" 218 QB BIO --
3 -- Jake Matthews Texas A&M 6'5" 305 ROT LOT 0 BIO --
4 -- Sammy Watkins Clemson 6'1" 205 WRF BIO --
5 -- Khalil Mack Buffalo 6'2" 244 OLB43 OLB34 0 BIO --
6 +12 Greg Robinson Auburn 6'5" 320 LOT ROT 0 BIO --
7 +34 Blake Bortles UCF 6'3" 230 QB BIO --
8 +1 Anthony Barr UCLA 6'3" 238 OLB43 OLB34 0 BIO --
9 +1 C.J. Mosley Alabama 6'2" 232 ILB OLB43 0 BIO --
10 +9 Ra'Shede Hageman Minnesota 6'5" 302 DT43 DE34 -12 BIO --
11 +9 Marqise Lee USC 6'0" 195 WRF BIO --
12 +9 Johnny Manziel Texas A&M 6'1" 200 QB BIO --
13 -1 Ha'Sean Clinton-Dix Alabama 6'1" 208 FS BIO --
14 -- Darqueze Dennard Michigan State 5'11" 188 CB BIO --
15 +14 Eric Ebron North Carolina 6'4" 245 TE BIO --
16 -9 Louis Nix Notre Dame 6'3" 326 DT34 DT43 0 BIO --
17 -9 Cyrus Kouandjio Alabama 6'5" 312 LOT ROT -15 BIO --
18 -7 Mike Evans Texas A&M 6'5" 225 WRF BIO --
19 +9 Kony Ealy Missouri 6'5" 275 DE43 DE34 -53 BIO --
20 -4 Jason Verrett TCU 5'10" 182 CB BIO --
21 +1 Stephon Tuitt Notre Dame 6'5" 303 DE34 DT43 -67 BIO --
22 -9 Taylor Lewan Michigan 6'7" 302 LOT ROT -116 BIO --
23 +20 Allen Robinson Penn State 6'3" 204 WRF BIO --
24 -- Justin Gilbert Oklahoma State 6'0" 195 CB BIO --
25 -8 Jace Amaro Texas Tech 6'5" 257 TE BIO --
26 +1 David Yankey Stanford 6'5" 312 OG LOT -33 BIO --
27 -12 Derek Carr Fresno State 6'3" 212 QB BIO --
28 +29 Timmy Jernigan Florida State 6'2" 298 DT43 BIO --
29 -11 Trent Murphy Stanford 6'5" 261 DE43 OLB34 -52 BIO --
30 +19 Odell Beckham Jr. LSU 6'0" 207 WRF BIO --
31 +3 Antonio Richardson Tennessee 6'6" 332 ROT LOT 0 BIO --
32 -1 Ryan Shazier Ohio State 6'2" 222 OLB43

NOTE
For referencing draft sites here's a ranking of mockers accuracy for last year and the past 5 seasons. RANKING THE MOCKERS

...Cuz there are a ton of sites that are no more than any mocks posted here. If ya like to dig through them here's a continually UPDATED LIST OF MOCKS







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Posted by Byron Bojangles III on 1/18 at 12:05 pm to blueslover
Scott Wright is usually pretty good. For some reason I think Vic Beasley will be there.


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Posted by goatmilker on 1/18 at 12:13 pm to blueslover
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Jason Boris - Times News


Nice job. Will have to watch what he has to say.

Looking at those Blu I have two thoughts.

One if they don't like who they have on the bench and feel Brown and Stief cost more than they can afford they go with the giant at Antonio Richardson Tennessee 6'6" 332 ROT

Two If RT is good in house I'm coming on board and don't see how CSP would pass on ODB. A dual role player much needed in return game that will demand attention and help free up other players in the passing game.



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Posted by seibert23 on 1/18 at 12:14 pm to blueslover
I've always enjoyed Draft-time of the offseason(even though we did start a little early this season). We are going to throw all kind of scenarios out there but it will all change depending on our Free Agency activity.


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Posted by Byron Bojangles III on 1/18 at 12:19 pm to seibert23
According to Scott we'd have the choice of Trent Murphy, Dennard, or Beasley


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Posted by blueslover on 1/18 at 12:26 pm to seibert23
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One if they don't like who they have on the bench and feel Brown and Stief cost more than they can afford they go with the giant at Antonio Richardson Tennessee 6'6" 332 ROT

I like the idea of having another OT with upside (if indeed Brown is exed off) whether a LT challenger or a RT that might work sliding over to guard when Evans or Grubbs becomes disposable in a year or two.
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Two If RT is good in house I'm coming on board and don't see how CSP would pass on ODB. A dual role player much needed in return game that will demand attention and help free up other players in the passing game.

I don't think ODB climbs to #27 status myself.
quote:

it will all change depending on our Free Agency activity

fo sho, the point here is for folks to start getting an idea of rankings and who or who not might be available. Threads saying we ought to draft guys like Watkins are just a waste of space.




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Posted by LSU Nguyener on 1/18 at 1:54 pm to Byron Bojangles III
I thought Beasley was going back for his senior year?


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Posted by Byron Bojangles III on 1/18 at 2:10 pm to LSU Nguyener
Is he? Well frick if so.


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Posted by L.A. on 1/18 at 2:35 pm to LSU Nguyener
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I thought Beasley was going back for his senior year?
He is, so he's off the draft boards for this year.



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Posted by Byron Bojangles III on 1/18 at 2:56 pm to L.A.
Hello Trent Murphy or Dennard


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Posted by xxKylexx on 1/18 at 3:33 pm to blueslover
While we have absolutely no shot at him, I want nothing to do with Clowney. That dude has Albert Haynesworth 2.0 written all over him. As for me, I'd love to have Darqueeze Dennard, Justin Gilbert or Ra'Shede Hageman in the 1st round.


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Posted by Cajun Invasion on 1/18 at 3:38 pm to Byron Bojangles III
I could see Dennard being takin, but with the play of Gallette and Jordan id be surprised if they take a DE 1st.

I wouldnt mind Benjamin if he still their.



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Posted by blueslover on 1/19 at 1:24 pm to Cajun Invasion
Here's a good discussion...

Out of those you might call Top 15 consensus, who would you hope for and think could possibly happen?

I'd prolly go Clinton-Dix. Safeties generally don't get the same draft stock value as much as cornerbacks or pass rushers. Vaccaro was the first in 2013 at #15. Other safeties drafted-
2012- #7, #29
2011- #34, #45
2010- #5, #14
2009- #33, #34
2008- #31

We'll see how it shakes out post-Combine. On these early boards he is #24, #13, and 15-20. To #27 looks like nothing unbelieveable at this point. Ya already have some great looking young & cheap players up front. HaHa & Vaccaro could have the backend secured for a long time. Maybe what we hoped Jenkins & Harper would have been.



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Posted by LSUSkip on 1/19 at 4:16 pm to blueslover
I really iike Gilbert at 6 foot tall.


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Posted by blueslover on 1/20 at 10:41 am to LSUSkip
Cornerback Discussion
Looking for folks that have a take on these guys. So far the way I'm seeing it...

Dennard & Verrett look like the cream clearly at the top. I'd call them both no-way-available at #27. Either would be a must-take if they were.

Justin Gilbert looks perfect. He could be gone but might be available as well. Would be a great value. love the idea if he could come in and start as another physical type corner. 6'0" 195lbs


Fuller, Roby, & Joyner look like the next tier that might be stretches at #27 but likely gone by the 2nd Rd pick.



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Posted by mm2316 on 1/20 at 10:50 am to blueslover
I know it's early, and mock draft don't mean shit, but I feel like I've been seeing Gilbert go before Verrett. I would be happy with either.

In response to you previous post, I wouldn't be upset at all with Clinton-Dix. Him and Vaccaro seem like they would compliment each other perfectly.

I feel pretty good about where we are picking, should be a few good options at the very least.


This post was edited on 1/20 at 10:51 am

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Posted by blueslover on 1/20 at 11:04 am to mm2316
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I know it's early, and mock draft don't mean shit, but I feel like I've been seeing Gilbert go before Verrett. I would be happy with either.


I've seen more the other way but as said, means nothing now. Pecking order should be clarified at the Combine. However they shake out, it looks like the #3 CB would be a great value. You can't hardly go wrong accumulating quality corners (seachickens). If Greer is gone it becomes a wonderful fit for need as well.



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Posted by blueslover on 1/20 at 11:37 am to blueslover
Missed that patriarch of the draft Gil Brandt came out with a TOP 50

His comments on some that might be of Saints focus in 1st or 2nd Rds...

18. Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
Dennard (5-foot-11, 190 pounds) is very well coached and thrives in playing press coverage. He has good instincts and is a playmaker, with seven interceptions the past two years.

19. Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State
At 6-0, 205 pounds, Gilbert is a big corner. He played better this year than in 2012, posting seven interceptions. He averaged close to 26 yards per kickoff return this season.

25. Zach Martin, OT, Notre Dame
Martin was the MVP of the Pinstripe Bowl against Rutgers. He has good athletic ability. He plays left tackle, but his best position might be at guard.
--interesting as RT possibility then move over to guard when Grubbs or Evans goes

39. Cyril Richardson, OG, Baylor
Richardson (6-foot-4 1/2, 332 pounds) has played left tackle and left guard, but guard is his best position. He didn't play as well this year as he did in 2012.
---ditto like Martin comments

47. Odell Beckham Jr., WR, LSU
Beckham (5-foot-11, 187 pound) won the Paul Hornung Award as the nation's most versatile player. He's a good pass catcher who also is skilled as a return man.
---interesting to watch how his stock goes with the Combine

48. Antonio Richardson, OT, Tennessee
Richardson's former head coach Derek Dooley thought he could be a top 10 pick. A three-year starter, he is 6-foot-5, 330 pounds with long arms.



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Posted by elprez00 on 1/20 at 12:15 pm to blueslover
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Mel Kiper Jr- 27




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Posted by blueslover on 1/20 at 4:33 pm to elprez00
another solid evaluator with a top 126 GBN


*Javedon Clowney DE South Carolina (X)
*Teddy Bridgewater QB Louisville
Anthony Barr LB UCLA
Jake Matthews OT Texas A&M
*Sammie Watkins WR Clemson
*Blake Bortles QB Central Florida
*Greg Robinson OT Auburn
Darqueze Dennard CB Michigan State
Khalil Mack LB Buffalo
*Cyrus Kouandjio OT Alabama
*Mike Evans WR Texas A&M
*Johnny Manziel QB Texas A&M
*Kelvin Benjamin WR Florida State
CJ Mosely LB Alabama
Derek Carr QB Fresno State
*Eric Ebron TE North Carolina
*Marqise Lee WR Southern California (X)
*Stephen Tuitt DE Notre Dame (X)
*Jace Amaro TE Texas Tech
Cyril Richardson OG Baylor (OT)
Taylor Lewan OT Michigan
Trent Murphy DE Stanford
Louis Nix DT Notre Dame (X)
Travis Swanson C Arkansas
*Timmie Jernigan DT Florida State
*Allen Robinson WR Penn State
*Ryan Shazier LB Ohio State
Ra'Shede Hageman DT Minnesota (O)
*Vic Beasley LB Clemson (DE)
*Tiny Richardson OT Tennessee
Justin Gilbert CB Oklahoma State
*Ego Ferguson DT LSU
*David Yankey OG Stanford (OT)
Austin Seferin-Jenkins TE Washington (O)
*Kony Ealy DE Missouri
*Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix FS Alabama (O)
Will Sutton DT Arizona State
Jason Verrett CB TCU
Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt



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