The government and the common good
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Posted by oklahogjr on 10/16 at 1:13 pm to Blue Velvet
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Myth


so the military and interstate highways are myths?



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Posted by Blue Velvet on 10/16 at 1:14 pm to oklahogjr
They aren't common goods.


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Posted by oklahogjr on 10/16 at 1:17 pm to Blue Velvet
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They aren't common goods.



so are they bad for the country?



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Posted by Blue Velvet on 10/16 at 1:20 pm to oklahogjr
Nope. Didn't say that. My issue is with the word "common", as if those entities pertain to all, or most, people. The military drafted good people and had them killed, is responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent people, wastes trillions of dollars from people trying to support their families, and has given reason for people to harm innocent Americans. The military has been good for some and not for others. Therefore =/= common good.

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Posted by upgrayedd on 10/16 at 1:45 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
My understanding is that this "common good" is agreed to by all (or the vast majority). Therefore, roads are a common good and "cash for clunkers" is not.


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Posted by Rohan2Reed on 10/16 at 1:47 pm to Bard
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It depends on the program. The interstate system is a government program just like Food Stamps are a government program, but the two are entirely different in who the effect and how they effect society.


Yeah, not sure how anyone could confuse investment in infrastructure that lifts industry and the economy with the redistribution of wealth that punishes people who embrace personal responsibility and rewards those with no desire to work.



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Posted by sabes que on 10/16 at 1:50 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I would take it to mean the greatest benefit to the greatest number of people.


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Posted by SpidermanTUba on 10/16 at 1:51 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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When a supporter of a government program says he supports it because it will bring about the "common good", what does that mean?


It means it will bring about a common good.




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Posted by HailHailtoMichigan! on 10/16 at 2:10 pm to SpidermanTUba



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Posted by TigerTattle on 10/16 at 2:36 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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what does that mean?

Politician: Lemme see, how can I handle this issue that will get me the most votes?

under/unemployed person: See that money and big TV an' stuff the workin' people got, gimme somma dat.

Liberal: I'm gonna give 'em somma dat. It'll hurt your wallet, but it'll make me feel good. Besides, you're stingy and hate poor people.




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Posted by geauxturbo on 10/16 at 2:41 pm to Rohan2Reed
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that punishes people who embrace personal responsibility and rewards those with no desire to work.


Well, to be honest neither of those are absolutes. However, I question the "common good" because you can't measure how many it locks into dependence on entitlement and how many future generations have been hindered from prospering. There are too many variables and too many factors that would have to analyzed to do it correctly.

So, to me, the only correct way to provide a common good when it comes to socio-economic entitlement (not infrastructure) is through charity, voluntarily given and voluntarily received.

I want to puke when it comes to picking winners and losers in the corporate/business environment as well. Just cut business/corporate taxes and provide incentive for good behavior. Adding pollution control? Awesome, you get to write that off for the next 10 years x the effectiveness of the control. No OSHA reportable incidents, kick ass.. you get to reduce your payroll tax by x % per employee (pulled that out my ass, not really based on anything). Other than that, let it ride.

Didn't get arrested this year? Boom, you get a reduction in your income tax. LOL.


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Posted by catholictigerfan on 10/16 at 4:33 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
a catholic understanding of common good maybe. When all people have the rights that are due to them and have the opportunity to advance themselves in society are able to freely practice their religion. Have the ability to sustain themselves even if by means of charity. (I mean the basics like food water shelter) A few other things.

but I doubt it



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