Why Nick Saban RBS are failing in NFL-send LF copy of article
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Posted by PeaRidgeWatash on 9/26 at 11:01 am to DEG
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They don't have a full time steroid dealer in the NFL like they do in Tuscaloosa



Oh how I laughed



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Posted by Goldrush25 on 9/26 at 12:09 pm to PeaRidgeWatash
Maybe this current group of Bama RBs will turn out better. Ingram, Lacy and TR never had to learn how to run due to those slob OGs and OTs opening up 10 foot wide holes for them.


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Posted by Datbayoubengal on 9/26 at 1:33 pm to S
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richardson is a good player who was traded because his former team is tanking.


You guys will see. Trent Richardson is doing something a fullback can do, catch passes and run for touchdowns at the goal line. He is a glorified 3rd down back playing starter. Why don't people get that 3.5 ypc is a freaking joke? Like I said, if you use somebody enough, they'll likely get better OVERALL STATS.

Just this year and people think Ridley is playing horrible (and he is)
Ridley 36 att 121 yds 3.4 ypc, 1 rec 8 yds
Trent 44 att 140 yds 3.2 ypc, 7 rec 51 yds

As you can see from Trent's he is a 3rd down back who is usually a pass catcher.


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Posted by KG5989 on 9/26 at 2:15 pm to Datbayoubengal
I understand the article and everything. But, you cant blame Saban for what these backs do in the NFL. He was their coach at Bama. Hes not their coach in the NFL. Plus, in the NFL, its getting harder and harder to run the ball due to the development of the passing attack and the athletes on the defensive side are getting better. I mean your getting LBs and DEs that run in the 4.4-4.5 range. Just as fast as RBs and WRs and weight in the 240s+. Youre getting DTs that are 6'3 300 and can move in the 4.7s-4.8s. Thats just scary ridiculous. Defensive players are bigger, stronger, and faster now than they have ever been. Plus, the NFL is pretty much a pass 1st league now. You have so many great WRs and in the past few years the emergence of the freak TE, to go along with a lot of good QBs. And, most systems now are so complex in the passing game its damn near impossible to stop. There are only so many plays you can have to run the ball. In the passing game, their are so many varieties that you can run off of 1 play.

Ingram was a bad pick by the Saints. And out of Ingram, TRich, and Lacy, hes the RB that benefitted the most from a great OL by far. Bellichek had Ridley ahead of Ingram on his big board, and he got Ridley in the 3rd and hes def the better RB. Ingram is average at pretty much everything as a RB. Not good at anything, but just average. And it shows. Hes an average player. But, is it Sabans fault that scouts/analysts/coaches/etc graded Ingram that high? No. Sabans job is what those RBs do in college, and they were good college backs.

In regards to TRich, hes a damn good back. Dont really care what his YPC was. As a rookie, on a horrible team, with a horrible coach and horrible QB and average OL, he had 950 yards and 11 TDs with 370 rec yards and 1 TD. So, as a rookie RB on a horrible team with no pass threat whatsoever going up against Ds that just stacked the box, he had around 1320 yards and 12 TDs. Pretty good for a rookie. And unlike Ingram, TRIch has elite strength and great speed compared to other NFL RBs.

Datbayoubengal, I get that your using stats. But, you gotta look at the teams as whole. Ridley is with the Patriots, who typically are a great rushing team. On top of that, hes with Tom Brady. If you put more than 7 guys in the box, you might as well give up because Brady will shred you. The passing threat that is Tom Brady makes teams respect the passing game, therefore running a lot of nickel and dime, which allows for natural running lanes because for the most part there is usually just 1 LB, with 6 DBs. TRich was on team with no passing threat whatsoever. He was their only threat. Stuff the box with 8-9 guys, and its damn hard to run on them. What TRich did with the Browns last year(1320 yards and 12 TD) as a rookie was pretty impressive IMO. When he gets the Colts playbook down, then it will be fair to judge him and compare him to what Ridley has done.

Too soon to judge Lacy yet. Only played 1 full game and it was vs the 49ers. And I think he had 70 total yards and a TD. Not bad. I think hes already better than Ingram.

You cant compare how good a guy was in college to how good he is, or should be, in the NFL. Just like you cant compare how good a high school player is to how good he should be in college. I mean look at USCs QBs recently. Leinart, Palmer, Sanchez, Barkley, etc. All were really good college QBs. And all were average to crappy NFL QBs. Is it USCs fault or their coaches fault these guys arent as good in the NFL as they were in college?? No. You can even use LSU as an example. We have had a lot of great collegiate DL in recent years. I mean GREAT. National recognized as stars and were going to be great in the pros. For the most part, they have underachieved. We have an exception or 2, but as a whole they havent been as good as they were in college or how high they were touted coming into the NFL. There are a lot of great college players that dont do anything in the NFL.

Point is, its not Sabans fault that these guys arent awesome in the NFL. Hes not their coach. They arent "Saban RBs" anymore. They were when they were at Alabama. But, they are in the NFL now. They are the Browns/Colts RB, Packers RB, Saints RB, etc.

In regards to LF, he knows where to go. He sees what type of offense we have with a legit OC in Cameron and how we can feature a RB that is a notch or 2 above the rest. In the past we have used RBBC,but I think thats because none of those backs were clearly better than the other. When we have a RB that is clearly better than the others on the team, we feature them. Hill, Ridley, Hester, etc.


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Posted by Dick Macho on 9/26 at 3:06 pm to jondavid11
The article does not rag Nick with the exception of mentioning his OL and too much wear and tear on the backs. It really blames the RBs themselves.

I think that another factor is that the Bama OL used to be allowed to hold at will even if they are not so blatant about it these days.



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Posted by H-Town Tiger on 9/26 at 3:38 pm to KG5989
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KG5989


good post, i agree with most of what you said, especially about Saban (and same goes for all cllege coaches) not being responsible for how guys do in the NFL. Once they are out of college it is up to the player and his pro team.

However, this doesn't make much sense ;
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Plus, in the NFL, its damn near impossible to run the ball now. Defensive players are bigger, stronger, and faster now than they have ever been


last year we had a guy come 7 yards from breaking the NFL single season rushing record

The better point is it is a pass first league and RB has been devalued as a position. smart teams can find RBs in later rounds. That's what made the Ingram pick so stupid imo, the Saints had as good a record as anyone at finding RB's later (Thomas, Ivory) made no sense for them to draft Ingram in the first, let alone give up an extra pick for him.



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Posted by KG5989 on 9/26 at 4:49 pm to H-Town Tiger
Haha that Adrian Peterson though, hes an exception haha. As a whole, teams are running the ball less and less. Now, you have RBs that get 50+ catches in a year. That was unheard of some years ago. Warrick Dunn was really the 1st back that was an all purpose type of back. And he retired what 8 years ago or something like that? Now, if a RB gets 25 carries a game, and thats considered a LOT.

Plus, AP is 1 of the few RBs that doesnt split carries. And its AP. Hes the exception haha.

And i shouldnt of said damn near impossible to run the ball now. Should of just said its getting harder and harder to run the ball in the NFL due to the development of the passing attack and the athletes on the defensive side are getting better. I mean your getting LBs and DEs that run in the 4.4-4.5 range. Just as fast as RBs and WRs and weight in the 240s+. Youre getting DTs that are 6'3 300 and can move in the 4.7s-4.8s. Thats just scary ridiculous.

But yea I think its pointless to try and blame a collegiate coach for a player in the NFL. If anything, it shows that Saban took good RBs, and made them look great.

H Town Tiger


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Posted by TigerJeff on 9/26 at 5:36 pm to jondavid11
bump

great article




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Posted by Lester Earl on 9/26 at 6:47 pm to TigerJeff
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great article



lol, not really


"hey kid, do you want to play at ALA and be a 1st round pick like Eddie Lacy or Mark Ingram? Do you want a chance at the Heisman like Mark Ingram?


"or do you want to share the ball with 4 other backs, get drafted in the 7th round to become the Seahawks backup Fullback?"



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Posted by H-Town Tiger on 9/26 at 8:34 pm to Lester Earl
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"hey kid, do you want to play at ALA and be a 1st round pick like Eddie Lacy or Mark Ingram? Do you want a chance at the Heisman like Mark Ingram?


"or do you want to share the ball with 4 other backs, get drafted in the 7th round to become the Seahawks backup Fullback?"


wow, so pissed that you were miserably wrong about Ridley you have to run down LSU?

anyone that thinks RB's should not consider Alabama is just being biased but come on.



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Posted by Lester Earl on 9/26 at 8:53 pm to H-Town Tiger
You saying I am wrong?

That lsu has a better pitch than Alabama has now?

Ridley leaves early and is only a 4th rd pick? That's a strong sell to a recruit?



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Posted by Lester Earl on 9/26 at 8:55 pm to Lester Earl
Btw I'm not running down lsu

But outside of Ridley lsu hasnt had many RBs in the nfl much less successful ones

What planet are lsu fans on?



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Posted by dreaux on 9/26 at 9:39 pm to Lester Earl
Addai was on a pretty good tear for a while


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Posted by Lester Earl on 9/26 at 10:10 pm to dreaux
And a Saban recruit


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Posted by Tiger Ryno on 9/26 at 10:24 pm to Lester Earl
Hester
Addai
Ridley
Ford


That is about it since K. Faulk.



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Posted by omegaman66 on 9/27 at 4:53 am to Tiger Ryno
I know past players have said they could ask Les for help and they thought that he would be there for them.

Pretty sure Satan's mother and wife don't even feel that way. Hmmm... funny. I typed Saban and spell check changed it to Satan. This spell check thing is smarter than most give it credit for!!!



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Posted by H-Town Tiger on 9/27 at 4:58 pm to Lester Earl
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You saying I am wrong


Technically no, but it is kind of disengenous.

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That lsu has a better pitch than Alabama has now?


Obviously not if you go by where players where drafted. Those saying otherwise are just fans trying to spin it toward their team. Multiple busts from 1 school doesn't really matter. Look at Penn State, Larry Johnson still went in the first after Blair Thomas, Carter, Enis etc.

It is more about the player than where he went to school. Does anyone honestly think that Fournette has a better chance to go in the first if he goes to Alabama and will be relegated to 3rd at best if he goes to LSU? Richardson was much, much better than Ware. That's why they were drafted where they were. Its not like Ware would have gone #3 and TR in the 6th if they switched schools.

A lot of LSU fans like to use the saving players argument, but the truth is they were rotating RB's because no one really distinguished himself for an extended period the last couple of years until Hill. Ridley had like 240 or so carries in 2010, i don't think anyone else had 100. Bama's had better RB's and a much better OL.


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Posted by H-Town Tiger on 9/27 at 5:11 pm to Lester Earl
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Btw I'm not running down lsu

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Ridley leaves early and is only a 4th rd pick? That's a strong sell to a recruit?


Ridley was a 3rd round pick, #73 overall which is a high 3rd rounder. But no you are not running down LSU.

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But outside of Ridley lsu hasnt had many RBs in the nfl much less successful ones


But Ridley has been more successful to date than any of the Alabama RB's that was kinda the point. Adadi ( i know, i know a Saban recruit) had a nice run and was a 1st rounder that did play for Miles as well. I think Williams is still kicking around and Ware and Ford are rookies. We'll see where Hill goes, obviously his off field stuff will hurt his stock, but I wouldn't be surprised if he goes higher than Lacy did.

At the end of the day, we are only talking about 3 guys with Bama. Where they were drafted is a great selling point, but 1 is a bust, 1 was just traded and had a somewhat disappointing rookie year relative to where he was pick and they other is a rookie that got hurt, so too early to tell.

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What planet are lsu fans on?


the planet where they root for LSU so they surprisingly look for reasons to promote LSU, even if it is biased. I mean if you are Alabama you point to where your guys where drafted. If you are LSU, you point to the fact your guy Ridley has done well. What's the problem with that?



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Posted by lsu480 on 9/27 at 7:47 pm to jondavid11
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send LF copy of article


Ya...let's be sure to point out that if he is the featured back at Bama he will be a first round draft pick, second round at worst!



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Posted by TigerJeff on 9/27 at 10:17 pm to lsu480
bumpety bump bump bumpety bump bump

first round pick that sucks w/ no tread left on the tires, a la Richardson and Suckgram



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