NM SC: Photographers can't refuse homosexual weddings
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re: NM SC: Photographers can't refuse homosexual weddings
Posted by udtiger on 8/22 at 8:51 pm to TN Bhoy
Seems to violate 1st Amendment (freedom of religion), 13th Amendment (involuntary servitude) plus freedom of association.


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Posted by MississippiLSUfan on 8/22 at 9:25 pm to udtiger
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Seems to violate 1st Amendment (freedom of religion), 13th Amendment (involuntary servitude) plus freedom of association.


It does and should the photography business pursue this case at the federal level, it will be ruled unconstitutional. No brainier.

I'd by happy to contribute to a fund to assist with legal costs associated with such an effort. I'm sure that there a lot of other people who would also help this business in this regard.

They push and push and push. It's past time to push back.



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Posted by TN Bhoy on 8/22 at 9:46 pm to ballscaster
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ballscaster


How's your housemate doing?



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Posted by Alltheway Tigers! on 8/22 at 9:55 pm to ballscaster
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If you want to be able to deny people your secular services because of something like race, gender, sexuality, etc, but you want the state to protect your business with its services equal to other businesses, you're asking for special treatment.


Since photography is an art-form, can the state force an artist to perform his/her best under duress? Who will judge the final quality of the art work, which would be very subjective? What is the penalty if the artist did not perform his/her best work?

If all the pictures are out of focus, off center, or what not, what is the recourse?




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Posted by Revelator on 8/22 at 9:57 pm to Alltheway Tigers!
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If all the pictures are out of focus, off center, or what not, what is the recourse?



This is what I would do if forced to take their pictures. Each shot would be one giant blur of gayness. There are no laws that can force the photographer to do his best.


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Posted by Tiger Iron on 8/22 at 9:59 pm to TN Bhoy
Take the damn pics, charge them a buttload and then photoshop a big schlong on there foreheads.


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Posted by Alltheway Tigers! on 8/22 at 10:09 pm to Tiger Iron
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Take the damn pics, charge them a buttload and then photoshop a big schlong on there foreheads.


Or photo-shop cartoon breast on the bridal party.



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Posted by Toddy on 8/22 at 10:12 pm to ballscaster
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I just looked up a current map of same-sex marriage recognition, and NM is the one state colored gray for "no official prohibition or recognition of same-sex marriages or unions."

So who the hell knows?


New Mexico is about to legalize gay marriage. A county started issuing marriage licenses to same sex couples this week and the state AG has refused to intervene or fight it. There is a case that should be before the NM Supreme Court soon.



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Posted by Taxing Authority on 8/23 at 7:45 am to MississippiLSUfan
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They push and push and push. It's past time to push back.
This is what I don't get about these cases...

So congratulations gheys. They now have the power to force people to perform work against their will and contrary to their personal morals. Do they think that will invoke feelings of tolerance, good will, and acceptance?

Nope.
It does the opposite.

It breeds cynicism, resentment, and hatred. Further, it's the same power of government sanctioned oppression and forced conformance to someone else's morality they constantly complain about.

Completely counterproductive.

They could stand to learn a lot from Ghandi and MLK. You don't gain tolerance and acceptance by attacking others. You do it by reaching out with a tolerance equal to the tolerance you're asking for. Golden rule... do unto others...

I know my views on ghey marriage have certainly morphed. I was once a HUGE proponent of it. But after studying the movement and the activism behind it... it's as much motivated by an attack on religion, not a search for equality for many. Certainly, not all. But enough that I'm not comfortable supporting the "movement". I can't be a proponent of attacking another's religion as a good American. I simply won't participate.



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Posted by los angeles tiger on 8/23 at 8:26 am to Taxing Authority
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So congratulations gheys. They now have the power to force people to perform work against their will and contrary to their personal morals. Do they think that will invoke feelings of tolerance, good will, and acceptance?



Once again, the "tolerant ones" are most intolerant of those that will not bow before them as they demand and they now have the force of government (violating the FIRST AMENDMENT) in this decision.

When religious freedom is denied as it is in this case, free speech is also denied. We constantly hear from the left that if a church is active in politics, it should be taxed. Now, with business that do pay taxes, the left still punishes those that do not agree with them.

It's anti-choice, anti-first amendment and anti-freedom.



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Posted by CITWTT on 8/23 at 8:29 am to burdman
You need to require pics of the consummation of said marriage and post them on your businesses web site for publicity purposes.


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Posted by Green Chili Tiger on 8/23 at 8:53 am to Toddy
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New Mexico is about to legalize gay marriage. A county started issuing marriage licenses to same sex couples this week and the state AG has refused to intervene or fight it.


Its actually been a fairly entertaining week here in New Mexico. Folks are mad about the NMSC decision and when the asked the AG why he hasn't stopped the county clerk from issuing same sex marriage licenses he said "it's not illegal".

When they asked the governer she said the AG assures me it's not illegal.






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Posted by DvlsAdvocat on 8/23 at 8:58 am to ballscaster
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ballscaster


This guy's posts are absolutely unreal.



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Posted by Vegas Bengal on 8/23 at 9:01 am to LSURussian
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But Toddy promised us things like this wouldn't happen.....
link?

And do you keep a bottle of Toddy's promises under our pillow? You seem to cherish and rely on them.



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Posted by Choupique19 on 8/23 at 9:04 am to DvlsAdvocat
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ballscaster




This guy's posts are absolutely unreal.


He's a straight up troll. He visits all the sites on here and takes the unpopular opinion and argues it to no end.



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Posted by Vegas Bengal on 8/23 at 9:12 am to los angeles tiger
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Once again, the "tolerant ones" are most intolerant of those that will not bow before them as they demand and they now have the force of government (violating the FIRST AMENDMENT) in this decision.


If there's a gay thread, LAT will sign on in opposition. It's like clockwork. Do you have a google gay TD alert?

And as always, I am impressed with your logic here that tolerance means that people should be tolerant of intolerance or else they're intolerant. But aren't you intolerant of the intolerant for being intolerant of the intolerant!

And you being a strict constructionist states rights war of northern aggression kinda ghey, where in the first amendment does it state New Mexico or any state cannot abridge religion?


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I mean I know what the liberal SCOTUS has done jurisprudentially but you're a strict constructionist. The first amend is silent on states and only pertains to Congress.

Oh to piqué your interest in answering let me anti-ghey this up for you.... Bravo-TV hates Murica!


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Posted by Taxing Authority on 8/23 at 9:17 am to Vegas Bengal
What's odd is you can consciously object to serving in the military based on your religious and moral views, but you can't refuse to take photographs.

Credit: heard this PoV elsewhere...


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Posted by Taxing Authority on 8/23 at 9:19 am to Vegas Bengal
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And as always, I am impressed with your logic here that tolerance means that people should be tolerant of intolerance or else they're intolerant. But aren't you intolerant of the intolerant for being intolerant of the intolerant!
You're trying way too hard.



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Posted by Green Chili Tiger on 8/23 at 9:39 am to Taxing Authority
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What's odd is you can consciously object to serving in the military based on your religious and moral views, but you can't refuse to take photographs.


They are already taking photographs, they just want to choose who they photograph. Can a mercenary for hire be a concientious objector if drafted?



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Posted by Wally Sparks on 8/23 at 9:44 am to Vegas Bengal
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I mean I know what the liberal SCOTUS has done jurisprudentially but you're a strict constructionist. The first amend is silent on states and only pertains to Congress.


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And as always, I am impressed with your logic here that tolerance means that people should be tolerant of intolerance or else they're intolerant. But aren't you intolerant of the intolerant for being intolerant of the intolerant! And you being a strict constructionist states rights war of northern aggression kinda ghey, where in the first amendment does it state New Mexico or any state cannot abridge religion?


Cantwell v. Connecticut says you're wrong.



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