Legitimate question about the Zimmerman case. Re: "Stand Your Ground".
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re: Legitimate question about the Zimmerman case. Re: "Stand Your Ground".
Posted by Al Dante on 7/16 at 5:27 pm to WDE24
[quote...]indeed the jury was instructed on the SYG portion of self defense. [/quote]

I believe this is why the defense never really used SYG in their case. They knew the jury would be instructed to consider it anyway.



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Posted by TheLankiestLawyer on 7/16 at 5:29 pm to TigerstuckinMS
I had a professor in law school who broke it down pretty well. He said, "Guys and girls, at the end of the day, all we do as lawyers is sell words. That's it. Remember that and the humility that comes along with it and you'll be fine."




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Posted by USMCTiger03 on 7/16 at 5:31 pm to chRxis
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quote: The law requires one to stay in their truck?

no, common fricking sense does….

How so?
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like i said, if he let's the the people who's job it is to ACTUALLY do the stuff he was TRYING to do, he would have NEVER been in the situation he found himself in…

They weren't there, and they can't be everywhere at once. Citizens aren't supposed to observe the actions of suspicious people?



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Posted by crimsonsaint on 7/16 at 5:52 pm to cdaniel76
Right after the shooting took place a lot of the media brought up the fact that Florida has that law and GZ could use it to get off. I guess the idiots heard that and just assume that's how he got off.


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Posted by beezy on 7/16 at 6:02 pm to crimsonsaint
LINK

10 min mark



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Posted by Geauxtiga on 7/16 at 6:04 pm to WDE24
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Stand your ground is a subset of self defense which allows one to meet force with force without seeking a reasonable means of retreat first.
How ironic that the ethnic makeup of the group rioting and damaging personal property would not want this.

Think about it, if someone they're confronting, attacking, etc. are required by law to "Back down", it gives them the right to run you over, literally.

I hope some of those clowns taking demonstations to levels over the top get shot. I seriously do. There's no effin sense. It's truly what separates us from them.



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Posted by kage on 7/16 at 6:05 pm to USMCTiger03
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They weren't there, and they can't be everywhere at once. Citizens aren't supposed to observe the actions of suspicious people?


What was he doing that was so suspicious? Being a teenager in a hoodie?

I see people walking down my street in Atlanta all the time that could be considered "suspicious." If I really think they are a threat, I'm calling the police and letting them handle it. I'm not going to follow them with a gun and confront them.

While that's obviously his right to do that, I agree with the poster your responding to in that Zimmerman should have stayed his arse in his car, especially after 911 told him to. He brought all this on himself, and while if he in fact did get jumped by Martin and was using self defense, it doesn't change the fact that all this could easily have been avoided.


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Posted by Geauxtiga on 7/16 at 6:09 pm to kage
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He brought all this on himself,
Bottom line, as did Trayvon.


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and while if he in fact did get jumped by Martin and was using self defense, it doesn't change the fact that all this could easily have been avoided.
As can be said about Trayvon.


He could've walked home. He didn't want to walk away from that creepy arse cracka.


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Posted by kage on 7/16 at 6:12 pm to Geauxtiga
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He could've walked home. He didn't want to walk away from that creepy arse cracka


That's true. However, Zimmerman instigated the whole thing. Martin hadn't done anything illegal that Zimmerman had seen, but for whatever reason he assumed he was up to no good and it turned into all this. Unfortunately we'll never know Martin's side of the story.

I'm not one of these people protesting or anything, but I also don't see any winners in all this. It just pisses me off that it could have been avoided by someone who made a huge assumption about a teenager who ended up getting killed.


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Posted by Libertyabides71 on 7/16 at 6:14 pm to cdaniel76
Because SYG laws are a new political target that is all.


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Posted by UpToPar on 7/16 at 6:16 pm to chRxis
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like i said, if he let's the the people who's job it is to ACTUALLY do the stuff he was TRYING to do, he would have NEVER been in the situation he found himself in…


It's funny how harsh the OT is on police. They are pretty much portrayed as incompetent and as a useless entity that is only out to infringe on the right of people.

But when relying on the police furthers your argument we should all just let the police do their job.



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Posted by Geauxtiga on 7/16 at 6:18 pm to kage
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That's true. However, Zimmerman instigated the whole thing. Martin hadn't done anything illegal that Zimmerman had seen, but for whatever reason he assumed he was up to no good and it turned into all this.
I agree. Zimmerman surely had several opportunities to avoid it getting to where it did; however, people are focusing on THAT and not the shared part of each's actions are.


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It just pisses me off that it could have been avoided by someone who made a huge assumption about a teenager who ended up getting killed.
I agree with you here too. It's a tragedy, for sure. Just not riot-worthy nor warrants law-changing.



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Posted by UpToPar on 7/16 at 6:22 pm to TheLankiestLawyer
I'm sure you'll be able to provide some insight. Doesn't the burden of proof change to the defense when self defense is claimed? Or is the burden still on the prosecution to show that there was some form of intent there?


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Posted by Libertyabides71 on 7/16 at 6:24 pm to UpToPar
The burden of proof is always on the state.


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Posted by USMCTiger03 on 7/16 at 6:42 pm to kage
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Zimmerman should have stayed his arse in his car, especially after 911 told him to.

I'm so fricking tired of correcting media spoonfed idiots about this.



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Posted by Geauxtiga on 7/16 at 6:44 pm to USMCTiger03
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I'm so fricking tired of correcting media spoonfed idiots about this.
+1

It's like saying Trayvon should've been home eating a well balanced meal instead of coming back from a 7-11 with a tea and skittle supper. It's irrelevant in terms of the law.



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Posted by kage on 7/17 at 4:00 pm to USMCTiger03
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Zimmerman should have stayed his arse in his car, especially after 911 told him to.


I'm so fricking tired of correcting media spoonfed idiots about this.


How about this...

Zimmerman should have stayed his arse in his car.



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Posted by cdaniel76 on 7/17 at 4:19 pm to kage
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Zimmerman should have stayed his arse in his car


Why?

After a recent rash of burglaries in the area and him being a part of the neighborhood watch, getting out the car to investigate something he though was suspicious seems to me like it was exactly what he should have been doing.



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Posted by AHouseDivided on 7/17 at 4:31 pm to HBR
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Thanks. We need more threads on this subject


Deedy is much more entertaining.



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