Legitimate question about the Zimmerman case. Re: "Stand Your Ground".
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Legitimate question about the Zimmerman case. Re: "Stand Your Ground".
Posted by cdaniel76 on 7/16 at 4:32 pm
I haven't followed any of the threads, neither have I commented on this case at all simply because I refuse to get caught up in the circus that it truly is.

However, I have a serious question since all I am seeing now is how people and lawmakers all over the country want to change "Stand Your Ground" laws.

All of those people mentioned above are claiming Zimmerman used that as his defense when that fact couldn't be any further from the truth. Plain and simply, this case was purely an Act of Self Defense case.

My question is: Why does everyone think he got off by using Stand Your Ground? It only takes a little bit of reading and just a small percentage of common sense to see this. Anyone not blinded by the bigotry and media bias should be able to see this...

Great article about all of this here: LINK


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The initial decision not to arrest Zimmerman, former Sanford, Florida, Police Chief Bill Lee said last week (as paraphrased by CNN), "had nothing to do with Florida's controversial 'Stand Your Ground' law" because "from an investigative standpoint, it was purely a matter of self-defense." And as The New York Times explained last month, "Florida's Stand Your Ground law...has not been invoked in this case." The only context in which "stand your ground" was mentioned during the trial was as part of the prosecution's attempt to undermine Zimmerman's credibility by arguing that he lied when he told Fox News host Sean Hannity that he had not heard of the law until after the shooting. During his rebuttal on Friday, prosecutor John Guy declared, "This case is not about standing your ground."



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Posted by HBR on 7/16 at 4:32 pm to cdaniel76
Thanks. We need more threads on this subject


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Posted by lsuhunt555 on 7/16 at 4:33 pm to cdaniel76
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Why does everyone think he got off by using Stand Your Ground?


Because thats what CNN told them and they are too stupid to hear anything else than what MSNBC told them.



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Posted by uway on 7/16 at 4:34 pm to cdaniel76
quote:

Why does everyone think he got off by using Stand Your Ground


They might be stupid.

Better question: what fate awaits a people who clamor for laws that make it illegal to "stand your ground"?


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Posted by Tacoma57 on 7/16 at 4:35 pm to cdaniel76
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Why does everyone think he got off by using Stand Your Ground?


Who thinks this?


#freetrayvon



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Posted by Darth_Vader on 7/16 at 4:36 pm to cdaniel76
Because there is a narrative to this and all stories the leftist media want us to be spoon-fed must conform to that narrative. They're so brazen about it now they don't even bother to worry about the fact anyone with an IQ higher than the average temp in San Diego knows full well they are just making shite up.


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Posted by LSUJuice on 7/16 at 4:41 pm to cdaniel76
Heeeeey baby. There ain't no easy way out.
Yeah I'll stand. my. ground.
And I won't. back. down.


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Posted by lsuhunt555 on 7/16 at 4:42 pm to Darth_Vader
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bother to worry about the fact anyone with an IQ higher than the average temp in San Diego knows full well they are just making shite up.


Thats because most people dont have an IQ that high or just flat out are too lazy to try and figure it out.



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Posted by WDE24 on 7/16 at 4:45 pm to cdaniel76
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Why does everyone think he got off by using Stand Your Ground?
Because he did.

Stand your ground is a subset of self defense which allows one to meet force with force without seeking a reasonable means of retreat first.

The confusion comes because at the time FL added SYG language to its self defense statute, it also created immunity from prosecution if a Defendant proved self defense at a hearing. GZ waived his right to that immunity hearing, but he did not waive SYG as it is defined in Florida law and indeed the jury was instructed on the SYG portion of self defense.


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Posted by cdaniel76 on 7/16 at 4:45 pm to lsuhunt555
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Thats because most people dont have an IQ that high or just flat out are too lazy to try and figure it out.


What infuriates me to the core is that those "most people" include lawmakers who are now going to waste countless amounts of time and money in an attempt to repeal these laws based upon their own incorrect assumptions as to what this case was all about.

Oh, and Stevie Wonder, who says he will no longer be doing concerts in Florida or any other state that has a SYG statute...


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Posted by cdaniel76 on 7/16 at 4:48 pm to WDE24
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Stand your ground is a subset of self defense which allows one to meet force with force without seeking a reasonable means of retreat first.


He had no "reasonable means of retreat". He was pinned down. Thus, no reasonable means of retreat = no need to rely upon SYG. To me, it's a clear cut case of self defense.



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Posted by TheLankiestLawyer on 7/16 at 4:50 pm to cdaniel76
Stand Your Ground makes "reasonable means of retreat" irrelevant.


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Posted by roadGator on 7/16 at 4:50 pm to cdaniel76
Stand your ground wasn't part of the defense strategy and as mentioned there's no need for it if the evidence available shows you were pinned to the ground.


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Posted by WDE24 on 7/16 at 4:51 pm to cdaniel76
Stand your ground is part of self defense. To act like it isn't or it wasn't part of this case is just you injecting your own politics into the situation the same as those you are mocking.

The fact that GZ was not required to retreat made the issue that much clearer.



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Posted by Jarlaxle on 7/16 at 4:51 pm to cdaniel76
He did not use the stand your ground law, he went with straight self defense


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Posted by kage on 7/16 at 4:51 pm to WDE24
From this article about the Anderson Cooper interview with a juror.


LINK


The juror said the initial jury vote was three for not guilty, one for murder, and two for manslaughter.

The juror explained that the jury’s decision changed after reevaluating evidence, and “that’s what took us so long.”

Juror B37 also they deliberated on just the “Stand Your Ground” law and voted not guilty.



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Posted by PanhandleDawg on 7/16 at 4:52 pm to cdaniel76
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Oh, and Stevie Wonder, who says he will no longer be doing concerts in Florida or any other state that has a SYG statute...



Damn Stevie .. I'm crushed.






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Posted by WDE24 on 7/16 at 4:52 pm to Jarlaxle
quote:

He did not use the stand your ground law, he went with straight self defense

He didn't seek immunity under stand your ground, however, self defense in Florida automatically includes SYG in it now.



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Posted by BurasTigah on 7/16 at 4:56 pm to WDE24
WDE is right. Stand your ground was included in the jury instructions, however MoM and West never used any arguments for it as they claimed George couldn't retreat because he was pinned. However, it was still in the jury instructions, so the jury could of argued about it or used it to acquit him.


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Posted by BurasTigah on 7/16 at 4:57 pm to BurasTigah
Found it pretty quick, directly lifted from the jury instructions:

"If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."



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