Star Trek: TOS Watchers - Season 1 Wrapup *Page 25*
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Posted by Ace Midnight on 10/15 at 2:17 pm to Ace Midnight
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Posted by Ace Midnight on 10/15 at 7:26 pm to Ace Midnight
Let's talk about the men who produced the story and screenplay for Space Seed.

The story was by Carey Wilber, who wrote for dozens of television series from the 1950s through the 1980s, and a decent mix of drama, action, western and science fiction.

Wilber received credit on the script that was written by long-time TOS producer/writer, Gene Coon. Coon was the showrunner for TOS until Bread and Circues. After that, and numerous disagreements with Roddenberry (Coon is sometimes called "The Forgotten Gene"), he passed that on to John Meredyth Lucas. (Apparently as he was leaving, and upset with the change in tone of the show, Coon said to Lucas, "Why the hell don't you take over? You produced The Fugitive and Ben Casey and that shite."

But, before he left, Coon gave us 8 pretty good TOS scripts -

"Arena"
"A Taste of Armageddon" (with Robert Hamner)
"Space Seed" (with Carey Wilber)
"The Devil in the Dark"
"Errand of Mercy"
"Metamorphosis"
"Bread and Circuses" (with Gene Roddenberry)
"A Piece of the Action" (with David P. Harmon)


...and roughly 1/2 of the TOS run, overall, as producer/showrunner (some would say the "good" half). It should be noted that Roddenberry often referred to TOS as "Wagon Train to the stars" and Coon was a veteran writer of Wagon Train, itself.

He died of cancer in 1973 at the age of 49.

Cheers to probably the best script by "The Forgotten Gene" and the man himself.






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Posted by Volvagia on 10/15 at 7:32 pm to Ace Midnight
Im surprised there isn't more talk considering this is probably the most notorious and referred to episode of the TOS.


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Posted by Thunder Tiger on 10/15 at 9:25 pm to Ace Midnight
Very interesting episode dealing with eugenics theories, and the "Eugenics Wars" that supposedly took place in the 1990s. While I was vaguely aware of Nazi theories of genetic purity, I'd never heard of "eugenics" at that time, although I was still pretty young when I first saw this episode in syndication.

Going forward to Khan, I loved it when Kirk said "Khan - I'm laughing at the superior intellect." The looks on both Shatner's and Ricardo's faces were priceless - similar to Seed, they both truly looked as if if they disdained one another.



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Posted by Ace Midnight on 10/16 at 6:45 am to Thunder Tiger
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While I was vaguely aware of Nazi theories of genetic purity, I'd never heard of "eugenics" at that time, although I was still pretty young when I first saw this episode in syndication.


Sadly, some of those originated in the U.S.

Wiki article

Brave New World was, in large part, influenced by these late 19th/early 20th century eugenics theories in the West (albeit Huxley implicitly rejected them.)



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Posted by Master of Sinanju on 10/16 at 9:50 am to Ace Midnight
Another classic episode. Khan was incredible to watch on the screen. A great choice to revisit in the movies.

McGivers was , but she made me . Turned way too easily.

I wonder if her portrait of Khan still exists? It would be quite a collector's item.

Even after attempting to kill Kirk and destroy the ship, Khan's exile feels more like a hero's sendoff than a prison sentence.

And of course, there is the story where Khan's name was based on an old friend of Rodenberry's that he wanted to get in touch with. He hoped his friend would hear the name and contact the show. He tried again later with Data's creator, but I don't think he ever heard from him.


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Posted by Ace Midnight on 10/16 at 2:55 pm to Master of Sinanju
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I wonder if her portrait of Khan still exists? It would be quite a collector's item.


I couldn't find any evidence of it - probably one of those "lost" props.

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Even after attempting to kill Kirk and destroy the ship, Khan's exile feels more like a hero's sendoff than a prison sentence.


I always felt that way, too. And the only knock on TWOK is that they kind of made this Kirk's fault - if he had checked on them in a year or two - they might have avoided the whole brouhaha.



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Posted by Ace Midnight on 10/16 at 9:47 pm to Ace Midnight
Bump because Space Seed deserves it.


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Posted by Thunder Tiger on 10/16 at 9:59 pm to Ace Midnight
Have you ever read Milton, Captain?


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Posted by Ace Midnight on 10/16 at 10:25 pm to Thunder Tiger
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Have you ever read Milton, Captain?


It's a shame for a good Scotsman to admit it, but I'm not up on Milton.




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Posted by gjackx on 10/23 at 4:24 pm to Ace Midnight
What's up with this thread? Bump!


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Posted by Ace Midnight on 10/23 at 7:19 pm to gjackx
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What's up with this thread? Bump!



Glad someone is still interested. I'm somewhat disappointed with the response to Space Seed - but I'm at least going to soldier on through the end of Season 1.




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Posted by Ace Midnight on 10/23 at 7:23 pm to Ace Midnight
*THIS SIDE OF PARADISE*



Spock gets the girl and Kirk faces a mutiny as the crew is under the influence of strange spores that provide health and contentment - but at what price?


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Posted by Spock's Eyebrow on 10/23 at 7:30 pm to Ace Midnight
Great episode. This is another one that has really stuck with me. Kirk trolled the hell out of Spock, and Spock got hopping mad. "Dog-faced boy" Spock's ass! Spock also got to show his tender side, and for the first time ever, he was happy, and then Kirk ruined everything. I think this was when we also learned we wouldn't be able to pronounce Spock's first name.


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Posted by Thunder Tiger on 10/23 at 8:31 pm to Ace Midnight
"(You're a) carcass full of memory banks who should be squatting on a mushroom, instead of passing himself off as a man. You belong in a circus, Spock, not a starship ... right next to the dog-faced boy!"

Another great one from the first season. Kirk did a memorable job of explaining how man unfortunately "wasn't made" for paradise, and it was really fascinating (pun? OK maybe) to see Spock human-like and in love ("I can love you!").

Thought it was poignant when it ends with Spock lamenting, "For the first time in my life, I was happy." Reminded me of the end of the later episode "A Private Little War", where it ended sadly but with great effect.



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Posted by Spock's Eyebrow on 10/23 at 9:23 pm to Thunder Tiger
And wasn't this the one where McCoy went into his country doctor schtick, drinking mint juleps and such? Kirk was not amused by any of it.

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Kirk did a memorable job of explaining how man unfortunately "wasn't made" for paradise


That's a recurring theme, that life isn't real unless defined by challenge. Kirk destroyed paradise for another culture when he phasered their rock-cave-god (Baal?) from orbit, and he shrugged it off as being good for them. His justification? It was threatening his ship, and as we know, nothing is more important than Kirk's ship, in particular, The Prime Directive. I always imagined Kirk's toilet paper was printed with it.



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Posted by Thunder Tiger on 10/23 at 9:48 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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And wasn't this the one where McCoy went into his country doctor schtick, drinking mint juleps and such? Kirk was not amused by any of it.
Yep, when Kirk told him he needed his help to counteract the spores, McCoy said "who wants to counteract paradise, Jim boy?"

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Kirk destroyed paradise for another culture when he phasered their rock-cave-god (Baal?) from orbit, and he shrugged it off as being good for them.

Vaal, I believe, in The Apple. Yeah, Kirk violated the Prime Directive whenever the hell it suited him, and always gave some bumper-sticker reason why it was OK. As I've said before, NG did a much better job of at least feigning angst over violating it.



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Posted by Ace Midnight on 10/23 at 11:20 pm to Thunder Tiger
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Yeah, Kirk violated the Prime Directive whenever the hell it suited him, and always gave some bumper-sticker reason why it was OK.


Well - in The Apple's case, Vaal tried to kill them and bring down the ship - that's not the right path to take for a long life - nothing is more important than Kirk's ship.

In This Side of Paradise, it was a Federation colony, and they were under the control of some generally benign, but alien intelligence.

In both episodes, there was no drive to accomplish, the people were not flourishing, but merely existing. Kirk does not abide this.



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Posted by Thunder Tiger on 10/23 at 11:52 pm to Ace Midnight
IIRC, the PD stated the Federation shouldn't interfere with the normal evolution of a society - even if it meant allowing that society's destruction.

Your point is well taken that in both The Apple and Paradise one could certainly argue that those societies weren't "normally" evolving. But in a case like Armageddon, Kirk simply didn't like that planet's destructive evolution and "fixed" it, PD be damned.

Kirk just seemed far more willing to interfere in a society if he personally disapproved of it's evolution, arguably normal or not.



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Posted by gjackx on 10/24 at 12:14 am to Thunder Tiger
This is probably my favorite episode in all of trek. Glad I bumped this bad boy. To see spok with emotion and at peace...is well, a sight to see. This is the peak of the series and the first season only takes off from here.

The devil in the dark, nuff said gang!



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