The age old "why did they change the bats" argument (some interesting numbers)
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The age old "why did they change the bats" argument (some interesting numbers)
Posted by thunderbird1100 on 6/15 at 11:31 pm
So actually running through some numbers I am simply flabbergasted once again why the NCAA felt the need to change the bats. The NCAA says safety, which the NCAA didn't exactly have statistically more significant injuries due to balls hitting people than MLB that I've ever seen. So we all realize that's likely not the real change.

The real change seemed to be from the pressure of MLB and scouts which said the BESR bats had more power than wood bats, which they absolutely did, but going to the new bats has nearly neutered college baseball to the point of having less than half the power game MLB has now...but wait a second, I thought going to the new bats would help even things out there? Yep, just running over some numbers I found out that this years college 0.42 HR/gm average (per team) is less than half of the MLB 0.985 HR/gm average (per team). Whoa, wait a second. So MLB teams average just over twice the amount of HR/gm as college teams?

Well, I guess we need to find out what BESR bats were doing. Well, BESR bats in their final season (2010) produced ~.945 HR/gm (per team). In fact that was close to the HIGHEST HR/gm (per team) produced by BESR bats in a season which stood at just over 0.95. So, now I'm saying BESR bats (with the current college baseball) produced basically very similar amounts of home runs per game (per team) as wood bats do in MLB? Yep, numbers speak for themselves.

So what in the frick was the NCAA really thinking by neutering the college power game so much? College baseball simply isnt as fun to watch now as it was with those BESR bats. The summer wood bat leagues are all the scouts needed really, hell they draft high school kids who use much less regulated bats than the college BESR bats. By all means I'll never give up on college baseball because IMO we have greatest program in history ( )...but I think the grand majority of folks do agree the power game is simply not even close to where it needs to be in college.

I really dont like the fact it seems like the NCAA has bent its knees over for MLB. I have a very hard time believing changing to the MLB baseball would produce numbers similar to that of MLB teams in HR/gm too. Maybe it will raise it significantly to 0.6 or 0.7 per game, but shouldn't it be pretty similar to MLB, not just better than currently? Like it was before?

/rantover



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Posted by ell_13 on 6/15 at 11:32 pm to thunderbird1100
Aaahhh. So many words!


I'll read later though.



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Posted by geauxtigers87 on 6/15 at 11:32 pm to thunderbird1100
too much scotch right now to read all that, but I see a in there so i'll just assume it's a good read


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Posted by thunderbird1100 on 6/15 at 11:36 pm to ell_13
quote:

Aaahhh. So many words!


I'll read later though.


Condensed version

All 3 are averages across the leagues
BBCOR bats this year = 0.42 HR/gm
MLB bats this year = 0.985 HR/gm
BESR bats in final year = 0.945 HR/gm

WHY CHANGE THE BATS?!?!?!?!



This post was edited on 6/15 at 11:37 pm

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Posted by ell_13 on 6/15 at 11:37 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:

Condensed version

All 3 are averages across the leagues
BBCOR bats this year = 0.42 HR/gm
MLB bats this year = 0.985 HR/gm
BESR bats in final year = 0.945 HR/gm

WHY CHANGE THE BATS?!?!?!?!



I appreciate this.



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Posted by foshizzle on 6/15 at 11:38 pm to thunderbird1100
You went to lots of trouble to make your point.


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Posted by thunderbird1100 on 6/15 at 11:40 pm to foshizzle
quote:

You went to lots of trouble to make your point.



Some people appreciate details, so that's there for them. It's not like it took but 10 minutes or so to type all that out.



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Posted by bfniii on 6/16 at 12:06 am to thunderbird1100
i wouldn't doubt that a main reason was an attempt to level the playing field for the midwest and the northeast against the south and west. if the elite programs are getting the majority of the home run hitters, the new bats neutralize that advantage. now, the home run hitters are hitting fly outs to the lesser programs who don't have as many power hitters. the west coast teams adjusted the fastest as peterson was talking about tonight.

it also helps the lesser programs who don't have as many good arms. now their pitchers can stay in the game longer and they don't need as many in the bullpen.



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Posted by TigerCub on 6/16 at 12:08 am to thunderbird1100
Tim Corbin was one of the biggest people pushing for them to change to the BBCOR bats.


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Posted by heartbreakTiger on 6/16 at 12:13 am to TigerCub
agree with the op and tim corbin is a choking baby back bitch


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Posted by Roi.Trois.Faulk on 6/16 at 12:35 am to thunderbird1100
Compare the minor leagues.... I bet it is closer to NCAA than MLB....

You expect the power advantage in the MLB, they have the best power guys in the world...

You don't want to duplicate the game, you want to see the guys ability....

Watching a guy hit with a bat they had in the 90s.. was not ability... it made a pop up into a glorius trip around the bags..

NOT BASEBALL!!!

I like this real baseball we see in college

Get over the 90s juiced players, and NCAA juiced players/bat era....




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Posted by The Seaward on 6/16 at 12:36 am to thunderbird1100
I've heard alot of talk about the bats and balls and reduced running scoring. It seems to me that one easy way to help offenses would be to actually enforce the strike zone and not call every pitch a foot off the plate a strike.


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Posted by thunderbird1100 on 6/16 at 12:45 am to Roi.Trois.Faulk
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Compare the minor leagues.... I bet it is closer to NCAA than MLB....



Kind of irrelevant. People dont "follow" minor league teams really. People "follow" MLB teams because they are playing to win something. Same with college teams. Minor league teams are there not to win games so much as to get players developed and prepared for a MLB call up one day. The "value" of the spectator is greatly diminished for Minor league teams vs. college teams or MLB teams.

Spectators by in large want to see exciting plays. Exciting plays very much so include home runs. hen you take away home runs from being part of the game, the spectator value is diminished. It's really that simple.

I honestly have no clue what minor league teams hit on average for home runs per game, but honestly, once again, as a spectator, who cares?


This post was edited on 6/16 at 12:47 am

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Posted by gatorhater211 on 6/16 at 12:48 am to thunderbird1100
What's killing me are plays like the would-be walk-off home run for Oregon St. today. That was a terrible hanging pitch, the kid mashed it and it ends up 3 feet short. I know some kids just don't have the strength, but these bats aren't favorable for home runs and they allow too many pitchers to get away with bad pitches.


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Posted by thunderbird1100 on 6/16 at 12:51 am to gatorhater211
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What's killing me are plays like the would-be walk-off home run for Oregon St. today.


that's partially what inspired this thread, as are all the other "almost out of heres" I've seen recently. How much more awesome would it be if those DID go out? I mean, people live to see stuff like that.



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Posted by Tiger Nation 84 on 6/16 at 12:55 am to thunderbird1100
The 2009 bats were perfect


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Posted by volfan30 on 6/16 at 1:06 am to thunderbird1100
Go back to BESR bats, tighten up the strikezone, and college baseball would become a much better product imo.

I love baseball, but college baseball in its current form is close to unwatchable imo.



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Posted by Dr. Zoidberg on 6/16 at 2:41 am to thunderbird1100
MLB was losing ratings to college ball. Duh!!!!

Jk

Wish they would change it back.



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Posted by Mr Gardoki on 6/16 at 3:51 am to TigerCub
Corbin really wanted to get rid of the composite bats because those were getting ridiculous but then the ncaa overreacted.


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Posted by WylieTiger on 6/16 at 6:19 am to thunderbird1100
Keep the bats the same and change to the MLB ball. It will give an increase in power numbers.




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