What to do about evil in America
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Posted by cwill on 5/9 at 9:22 am to ScoopAndScore
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Immigration policy that leads to easier access and open borders are a key problem born from the idealistic notion of globalization and multi culturalism.

And then the internet can certainly compound the problem of "evil" as it provides easy access to material for those people who are wired for evil-type activities and behavior. That's just a fact of life today.


As has already been posted, the fact of life today is that it is safer and more civil despite what you gather from the 24 hr news cycle. And trying to tie in immigration policy? - you get an A for stupid hackery.



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Posted by N.O. via West-Cal on 5/9 at 9:23 am to Mike da Tigah
I will play, and in a straightforward way.

1) Has the country become more evil?

No, I don't think so, at least not in per capita terms. The country has gotten much more populated, though, which increases the chance of a demented, evil person doing something remarkably vile. And when that happens, it is not local news but national due to the 24 hour news cycle and the internet.

2) Is the answer to getting back to a day when parents can let their kids go out and play without worrying themselves to death over it simply putting known deviants away forever considering the most recent headlines of Ariel Castro and him having no previous convictions yet 3 girls kidnapped, raped, and held against their will for the past decade?

No. This is a loaded question but the answer is obviously "no" because one can never be sure of who the unknown deviants are. By the way, there was no way to know who the deviants were in, say, the 1950's, either. Perhaps they were less commo then, perhaps not. I am open to evidence either way.

"Has Internet porn, porn in general, and perhaps a very casual attitude, openness, and permissiveness toward sex in general in our society given way to consequences that are affecting our quality of life?"

Very broad question, but I have to believe some consequences given the significant changes in sexual mores. Exactly what those consequences are, and whether they are, on balance, more negative or positive are hard to say. For example, take no fault divorce. A more humane, less costly way to end marriages that need to end or an open invitation to renege on crucial family commitments? Tough call.


"What in your opinion has caused America to become a much more dangerous and perhaps more evil place? or if you don't think it has, then what disproves it has become more evil and dangerous?"

I do not believe that America has become "much more dangerous." I cite as at least some evidence to support my belief the sharp DROP in violent crime over the last 20 years or so. I will also add the much decreased use and related problems associated with crack cocaine (which could explain some of the decreased violence).



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Posted by Paluka on 5/9 at 9:27 am to rbWarEagle
“[W]isdom is the child of integrity—being integrated around principles. And integrity is the child of humility and courage. In fact, you could say that humility is the mother of all virtues because humility acknowledges that there are natural laws or principles that govern the universe. They are in charge. Pride teaches us that we are in charge. Humility teaches us to understand and live by principles, because they ultimately govern the consequences of our actions. If humility is the mother, courage is the father of wisdom. Because to truly live by these principles when they are contrary to social mores, norms and values takes enormous courage.” - Stephen Covey

Sorry but this seems appropriate. Will come back later to discuss OP. Have to go interview and admit someone who raped a child and committed two murders. He seems evil to me.



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Posted by WildTchoupitoulas on 5/9 at 9:28 am to Mike da Tigah
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What to do about evil in America
There's no such thing as evil.
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What in your opinion has caused America to become a much more dangerous and perhaps more evil place?

It hasn't.
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if you don't think it has, then what disproves it has become more evil and dangerous?

The burden of proof is on you to show that it has.




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Posted by RJYH on 5/9 at 9:29 am to KaiserSoze99
That's what I think of when I watch a trailer for the movie the Purge. "Allow" evil and see how bad it gets.

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Posted by N.O. via West-Cal on 5/9 at 9:30 am to Mike da Tigah
"Then why are people so fearful of letting their kids out to play until the street lights come on like when I was a kid?

Is it unwarranted fear?"

Who is to say whether fear is "warranted"? Bad things COULD happen. It's risk averse and may not make cold, logical sense compared to, say, allowing teenagers to go boating on their own, but parenting is driven largely by emotion. There is also the often unstated fear of appearing to be a bad parent. I suppose the real question is whether there is actually a greater risk of something bad happening IF parents let their kids play until dark on their own. I don't know the answer to that but I admit that I will still parent my kids within the rough parameters of socially accepted conduct for my peer group. (My wife and I are actually known among our friends as being less risk averse with most things but we are still "in bounds" even if nearer the boundary than most).



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Posted by CITWTT on 5/9 at 9:34 am to Mike da Tigah
No manner of legislation or strength of men will make a change in mankinds behavior at all.


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Posted by KaiserSoze99 on 5/9 at 9:34 am to Mike da Tigah
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Is the fact that I would be asked to define what evil is an issue in support of America being in a bad place?

No, I think defining it is a legitimate concern. Some people think whacking off is evil. Other people think driving an SUV is evil. We need a definition that most agree on.



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Posted by TheDoc on 5/9 at 9:38 am to Mike da Tigah
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1) Has the country become more evil?


No



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Posted by GeauxTigerTM on 5/9 at 9:40 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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Who is to say whether fear is "warranted"? Bad things COULD happen. It's risk averse and may not make cold, logical sense compared to, say, allowing teenagers to go boating on their own, but parenting is driven largely by emotion. There is also the often unstated fear of appearing to be a bad parent. I suppose the real question is whether there is actually a greater risk of something bad happening IF parents let their kids play until dark on their own. I don't know the answer to that but I admit that I will still parent my kids within the rough parameters of socially accepted conduct for my peer group. (My wife and I are actually known among our friends as being less risk averse with most things but we are still "in bounds" even if nearer the boundary than most).


I think this is an actually much more interesting question than the OP's...and I have a take on it.

Despite my earlier comments about evil and whatever, I'm actually a bit of a helicopter parent. This is largely for personal reasons...both because of bad things that happened to close family members that could have been avoided with a little bit of forethought and from an incident with my eldest son when he was 2 where my small bit of negligence could have been disastrous. Because of these, I tend to hover more than I rationally know I need to. Yet in my head, and many times out of my mouth, I'm known to tell him and his brother, "My job is to protect the 30 year old you from the 10 year old you...but I also need to let the 10 year old you be a kid so that the 30 year old you doesn't hate me later."

If I were less rational and did not understand that my fears are born more from my own personal issues and not so much with real world issues, the poor kid would never see the light of day.



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Posted by Antonio Moss on 5/9 at 9:42 am to Mike da Tigah
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Then why are people so fearful of letting their kids out to play until the street lights come on like when I was a kid?

Is it unwarranted fear?


Answer: 24 Hour News Networks

In 1985, if a kid was kidnapped in California, the only people who heard about was the surrounding communities (and maybe one spot on an evening news network.)

In 2013, if a kid is kidnapped in California, it's in the constant news cycle for weeks.



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Posted by RCDfan1950 on 5/9 at 9:42 am to Mike da Tigah
The Good Book says that in the later days..."knowledge will increase". Knowledge of both good and evil. With the increase of knowledge (media-based_, it expands the individual and cultural circle/potential for BOTH.

Evil has increased. So has good.

The Big Dance.




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Posted by rbWarEagle on 5/9 at 9:45 am to RCDfan1950
Good and evil are relative, at best.

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Posted by Godfather1 on 5/9 at 9:46 am to Antonio Moss
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No. It is actually the safest time in American history.


I can remember a time when there was a better balance between safety and freedom.



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Posted by GeauxTigerTM on 5/9 at 9:47 am to Antonio Moss
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In 2013, if a kid is kidnapped in California, it's in the constant news cycle for weeks.


AND you hear about it within minutes of it being reported to authorities...nationwide. At this point you would literally have to try and avoid news outlets to not know about tragic events as they unfold in almost real time.



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Posted by rbWarEagle on 5/9 at 9:49 am to GeauxTigerTM
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At this point you would literally have to try and avoid news outlets to not know about tragic events as they unfold in almost real time.


This is what I do. Most of the news I hear about is on here.



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Posted by WildTchoupitoulas on 5/9 at 9:51 am to RCDfan1950
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The Good Book says that in the later days..."knowledge will increase".



Ya don't say?

They're not exactly going out on a limb with that prediction.



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Posted by Antonio Moss on 5/9 at 9:52 am to GeauxTigerTM
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AND you hear about it within minutes of it being reported to authorities...nationwide. At this point you would literally have to try and avoid news outlets to not know about tragic events as they unfold in almost real time.


I think the Jody Aries trial is a good example. People have killed other people for passionate reasons for all of mankind. Yet now, an individual case will get months of coverage because it makes for compelling TV for the unwashed masses. That absolutely skews the perspective of these people.

And really doesn't stop at crime. We overestimate a lot of things - poverty, promiscuity, etc. - because we are constantly exposed to the extreme end of the spectrum.



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Posted by rbWarEagle on 5/9 at 9:52 am to WildTchoupitoulas
I considered chiming in with a similar response but I felt like a dick.


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Posted by WildTchoupitoulas on 5/9 at 9:53 am to lsufool
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Liberalism is evil. End liberalism and America will be O.K.

Now THERE'S an idea, kill all the liberals, and evil will be gone.


Wait...




...what?



quote:

lsufool

Yes.



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