Regarding "Research"
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Regarding "Research"
Posted by ShortyRob on 5/8 at 11:43 pm
I posted this in another thread, but think there is a discussion to be had on this concept alone regarding research.

There is a SIGNIFICANT problem in our nation that I can only assume results from more recent approaches in college. This problem relates to how people view "research". It seems that as a result of the tendency to just do papers where you go find "support" for your argument, people have come to believe that all research cited must be taken at face value until competing research occurs. There seems to be absolutely ZERO ability to intelligently critique research methods or approach any and all research skeptically(as SHOULD always be done).

Basically, the approach seems to be, "if I do research, it is TRUE and unassailable unless and until you do research to contradict it". Do people not learn to analyze research and identify potential flaws in how it was done anymore? It sure seems that way from what I see nowadays.

Nowadays, when you identify SIGNIFICANT flaws in research approach, all anyone ever does is say, "you just don't like it cause it doesn't agree with you". They don't even address the potential flawed approach.

Well guess what. I happen to enjoy the hell out of disecting research approaches whether they agree with me or not. Frankly, on both sides, I find that I tend to run into A LOT of "research" where even a cursory analysis makes it obvious that the "researchers" had a point of view PRIOR to doing the research. This is actually a VERY common problem that is difficult to avoid as a researcher even if you are TRYING to avoid it. It tends to lead to finding exactly what you expected to find because you only asked things that would get you there and failed to ask things that might not.

I can actually recall having professors that would throw research at us and then our assignment was purely to identify potential flaws in that research. This seems to be completely off limits in discussion these days.

A sad development IMV.



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Posted by CourseyCorridor on 5/8 at 11:47 pm to ShortyRob
I've studied a bunch of recent studies and I conclude that you are wrong.

If you don't like my finding, do your own study...




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Posted by NoHoTiger on 5/8 at 11:56 pm to ShortyRob
Hey shorty M
Don't forget you're talking to people who think correlation=causation. And No, most people do not understand peer reviewed research and that ALL research has bias just as there is bias in those reading published research. As is human nature, people want to accept research that supports their own personal opinion and reject that which does not without realizing that most research should be taken at face value and nothing beyond exactly what is spelled out in the research should be assumed. But that's just my opinion.

ETA: I've actually seen posted on this board that scientific research should not be used by anyone outside of applied sciences without realizing it's actually a type of research.


This post was edited on 5/8 at 11:59 pm

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Posted by Bmath on 5/9 at 12:26 am to ShortyRob
College barely teaches proper research techniques. Grad school is where I picked up these techniques. I had several classes that heavily involved picking apart various journal articles.


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Posted by TxTiger82 on 5/9 at 12:33 am to ShortyRob
It's not the researchers but the way others talk about research. Also, there is no perfect research method. That's one of the first things you learn in grad school - when in doubt attack the method.




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Posted by asurob1 on 5/9 at 12:36 am to NoHoTiger
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I've actually seen posted on this board that scientific research should not be used by anyone outside of applied sciences without realizing it's actually a type of research.


more times then i care to count...



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Posted by Five0 on 5/9 at 1:21 am to ShortyRob
You should become an attorney. They make damn good money doing just this sort "research analysis". The inverse of this is that your good investigators are aware of this and learn to let the facts and evidence overcome their bias. Everyone has bias. Once you recognize it and are able to come to logical conclusions in spite of the bias the sky is the limit.


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Posted by ShortyRob on 5/9 at 1:29 am to TxTiger82
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That's one of the first things you learn in grad school - when in doubt attack the method.

While attacking the method is sometimes purely done as "attack", that doesn't mean the method is never deserving of attack.

All tigers are cats, but not all cats are tigers.

And again. Frankly. I find it humorous how much "research" is OBVIOUSLY the result of someone doing "research" to affirm their previously held conclusions. I mean let's face it. Sometimes the subject matter alone is a give away. IE, there are some new research items that hit the press where you immediately KNOW the person who researched that particular subject already had a strong opinion on it.

WHen that happens, you REALLY need to look close at what they did and did not do during the research. Frankly, the Social "Sciences" are the frickING WORST in this department.



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Posted by Antonio Moss on 5/9 at 8:13 am to ShortyRob
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Frankly, the Social "Sciences" are the frickING WORST in this department.


As someone with a degree in the Social Sciences, I absolutely agree.

Some of the conclusions reached don't even align with the data collected. I had to read several poli sci studies that concluded something completely different than what the study showed because the researcher didn't understand at what he was looking.



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Posted by TerryDawg03 on 5/9 at 9:11 am to Five0
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Everyone has bias. Once you recognize it and are able to come to logical conclusions in spite of the bias the sky is the limit.


This.



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Posted by TerryDawg03 on 5/9 at 9:16 am to ShortyRob
quote:

I find it humorous how much "research" is OBVIOUSLY the result of someone doing "research" to affirm their previously held conclusions.





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