Preventing a future Benghazi
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Preventing a future Benghazi
Posted by BugAC on 5/8 at 12:48 pm
Democrats are out saying that there is no way we could have helped out the guys in Benghazi.
They are also saying that Benghazi is a non-story that is overhyped. I pose you this question:

Are you of the belief that there was nothing that could have been done about Benghazi?

If yes, then do you believe that if you could "go back in time" that there is anything possible that could have been done to prevent this from ever happening?

I doubt none of you will say no. Of course something could have been done. That being said, who failed? Someone failed at their job, and it costs 4 people their lives. If there was no failure, then these people would still be alive. Whether it was that there were not enough guards at the compound, or that there was NO CONTINGENCY plan for this happening. Or that troops were not anywhere in an area able to help them, who is responsible for this terrible planning?

If you honestly believe there is nothing that could have been done, to either prevent or prepare for this scenario, then aren't all of our embassies around the world in danger?

Benghazi must be investigated and things must change so this does not happen again, yet the liberals/democrats would rather us ignore the story, so their precious leaders don't get caught in the controversy.



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Posted by Vlad The Inhaler on 5/8 at 12:57 pm to BugAC
The incident should be studied and analyzed for faults and solutions should be implemented.

The cover-up is inexcusable.



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Posted by doubleb on 5/8 at 1:05 pm to Vlad The Inhaler
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The incident should be studied and analyzed for faults and solutions should be implemented. The cover-up is inexcusable.


Exactly, and it would have been better to have tried (to rescue our people) and failed then to not try at all IMHO. That part makes no sense to me.



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Posted by elprez00 on 5/8 at 1:09 pm to BugAC
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Democrats are out saying that there is no way we could have helped out the guys in Benghazi.
They are also saying that Benghazi is a non-story that is overhyped. I pose you this question:

Are you of the belief that there was nothing that could have been done about Benghazi?

One of the principal duties of the United States Marine Corps is to provide security for foreign embassies. I would start with allowing them to do their jobs.

The fact that they were told not to, regardless of the actual events that took place afterwards, is beyond stupid.



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Posted by WildTchoupitoulas on 5/8 at 1:09 pm to BugAC
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aren't all of our embassies around the world in danger?

Well, yes, pretty much - especially in Moslem countries as of late.

I remember this one time, years back, one of our embassies was taken over - and it had 500,000 troops protecting it.

The trick is to conduct your international affairs such that people don't want to kill you.



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Posted by GeauxxxTigers23 on 5/8 at 1:35 pm to elprez00
I think the USMC just added a bunch of Marines to the Embassy Guard Battalion. Not sure though.

Like I referenced in the in game thread. A FAST platoon should have been there to prevent this attack. It's what they're there for. They weren't sent either because we didn't want to offend Muslim sensibilities or cause there was some super secret shite going down.



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Posted by Porky on 5/8 at 2:11 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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They weren't sent either because we didn't want to offend Muslim sensibilities or cause there was some super secret shite going down.

Offending Muslims, anyone, or any country for that matter, hasn't been an issue for many decades.



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Posted by BugAC on 5/8 at 2:16 pm to Porky
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Offending Muslims, anyone, or any country for that matter, hasn't been an issue for many decades.


Nope, just supreme incompetence and failure of leadership by the Obama administration.



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Posted by rcocke2 on 5/8 at 2:32 pm to BugAC
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Are you of the belief that there was nothing that could have been done about Benghazi?


Yes

quote:

If yes, then do you believe that if you could "go back in time" that there is anything possible that could have been done to prevent this from ever happening?


Should have never helped coordinate, arm and finance the Sunni militia that 'NATO' used to overthrow the Gaddafi regime. If not for our meddling, Gaddafi loyalists would have had no reason to get revenge. Believe it or not, Libyans very much liked Gaddafi.

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I doubt none of you will say no. Of course something could have been done. That being said, who failed?


The US Government (Clinton, Obama, etc.) for thinking they have the moral right to violently overthrow a regime using proxy fighters armed and trained by our tax dollars.

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If you honestly believe there is nothing that could have been done, to either prevent or prepare for this scenario, then aren't all of our embassies around the world in danger?


Our Embassies are in great danger as long as we continue to hop skotch around the world instigating fake Arab revolutions (see Sunni uprisings), overthrowing governments and subverting the last traditional cultures left in the whole world (See Islam).

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Benghazi must be investigated and things must change so this does not happen again, yet the liberals/democrats would rather us ignore the story, so their precious leaders don't get caught in the controversy.


This story has been made a big deal as a matter of political expediency. You're apparently eating it up and not asking other more basic questions that would lead to controversy for both parties.




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Posted by RCDfan1950 on 5/8 at 2:40 pm to rcocke2
Preventing attacks by Islamic Fundamentalist, like Behghazi, Ft. Hood and Boston Marathon can be prevented by electing people who don't do the politically correct dance, and try to schmooze Islamists.

After 9-11, we NEVER got hit while Bush was at the wheel. It started as soon as the softy Obama took control.

Bottom line. Prevent terrorism. Throw out the Dem party. Or don't...and get whacked. Until it hurts bad enough that even the Obamabots bail.

Disgusting.



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Posted by doubleb on 5/8 at 2:40 pm to rcocke2
Maybe there was nothing we could have done that would have prevented the murder of our four guys, but who here wouldn't feel better if we had at least tried something?

I realize hindsight is 20/20, but it works both ways. The Benghazi thing lasted for hours. No one knew that initially.

Why wait to send people, send people and then figure out what to do later. You could always stop them if you learned of an ambush or even redirect them to a safe place to land.

They probably would have been too late, but not sending anyone borders on the criminal IMHO.




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Posted by Godfather1 on 5/8 at 2:40 pm to doubleb
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Exactly, and it would have been better to have tried (to rescue our people) and failed then to not try at all IMHO. That part makes no sense to me.


Jimmy Carter's failed attempt to rescue the hostages in Iran, 1979.

Barry had an election to win.



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Posted by BugAC on 5/8 at 2:42 pm to rcocke2
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This story has been made a big deal as a matter of political expediency. You're apparently eating it up and not asking other more basic questions that would lead to controversy for both parties.


Well if you want to look at the "big picture" i guess we have to go back and blame FDR for getting us involved in international affairs. But before you do that, you must blame the Japanese for taking our country from a stance of neutrality, to on the offensive. And we might as well throw Germany in there too, because war with the axis was inevitable sooner or later.

But since that would not protect anyone in our current day, why don't we start by taking safeguards to protect our CURRENT embassies around the world and not trying to ignore when something like this happens? When we ignore these events, we cannot learn from them, and we WILL repeat them. I can almost 100% guarantee another attack of some sort will happen 9/11/2013. Why? Because it's now a radicalist holiday to the terrorists in that part of the world. So why don't we learn from this, and figure out what we can do to either prevent or readily defend our positions around the globe.



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Posted by elprez00 on 5/8 at 2:46 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Like I referenced in the in game thread. A FAST platoon should have been there to prevent this attack. It's what they're there for. They weren't sent either because we didn't want to offend Muslim sensibilities or cause there was some super secret shite going down.

I was talking about the fact that there were no Marines at the embassy period. We "outsourced" security to local people as to not "offend" them.

I'm not saying a platoon (Or however many are usually stationed) could've prevented the attack, but I'd take a platoon of Marines specifically trained to provide security for an embassy over locals any day of the week.



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Posted by RCDfan1950 on 5/8 at 2:52 pm to BugAC
Islam is coming for the US and Western Civilization. They take serious offense at our liberty, immorality and hedonism. They'd behead the LSU Cheerleaders alongside Colonel Toddy, for the way they are. We can ignore this reality, and we can run from it (like Obama)...but we can't hide.

Just a matter of time before the gloves come off. And next time, it won't be 'nationbuilding'...it'll be punishment for aggression. The only kind that aggressors understand.

Whatever. Like Rep. Cummings said on the Committe this morn..."people die". So what...was his point.

Freakshow!



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Posted by GeauxxxTigers23 on 5/8 at 2:56 pm to elprez00
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I was talking about the fact that there were no Marines at the embassy period. We "outsourced" security to local people as to not "offend" them. I'm not saying a platoon (Or however many are usually stationed) could've prevented the attack, but I'd take a platoon of Marines specifically trained to provide security for an embassy over locals any day of the week.


Well, it was the consulate, not the embassy. The Marine guards primary mission at the embassies is protecting the classified information there anyway. Depending on the size of the embassy there can be anywhere from about 6 to 20 or 30 Marines there. I don't know how many we're in Tripoli. Normally local security forces provide the actual external security for the embassies. Sometimes Embassy Guard Marines will go to the consulates to help with security.

A FAST platoon is specifically designed to beef up security in a high risk enviroment. It doesn't have to be an embassy, it could be anywhere where our interests are at risk.

Anyways, they should have been there. There were previous attacks and threats of more attacks. And yes, a platoon of Marines would have stomped this shite out in a hurry.



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Posted by WildTchoupitoulas on 5/8 at 3:09 pm to BugAC
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i guess we have to go back and blame FDR for getting us involved in international affairs

"FDR"?

Try "TR"...

Have you never heard of the Great White Fleet?



Of course that deployment came after seizing the base at Manila under president McKinley:




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Posted by GeauxxxTigers23 on 5/8 at 3:18 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Of course all of that followed Jefferson sending the Marines to the Shores of Tripoli. America's chickens have finally come home to roost!




This post was edited on 5/8 at 3:19 pm

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Posted by Porky on 5/8 at 3:48 pm to BugAC
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Nope, just supreme incompetence and failure of leadership by the Obama administration.

I can't argue with that but preventing another Benghazi will involve a lot more changes than changing administrations or political parties.



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Posted by WildTchoupitoulas on 5/8 at 3:58 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Of course all of that followed Jefferson sending the Marines to the Shores of Tripoli. America's chickens have finally come home to roost!

Well played.



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