Cost per Inmate vs Cost per Student by State
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re: Cost per Inmate vs Cost per Student by State
Posted by Jake88 on 5/8 at 9:53 pm to ponger3d
Uhh, maybe because the population continues to go up and thank God, stricter sentencing laws. And yet, despite that, we hear everyday how some child or other innocent is murdered by a piece of shite with a dozen offenses on their rap sheet who should have also been imprisoned. And as far as the rest of the world, would you feel safer in say, Rio De Janeiro or some other lawless shithole? Should we really be looking to emulate South America and Africa in our areas of law enforcement?


Have you ever spent any significant time in a prison or working with prisoners? No, you haven't. You watch Shawshank Redemption and envision prisoners to be similar. I have, and can assure you that there is no surprise when they reoffend. Big surprise, they are no good at their core.



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Posted by ponger3d on 5/8 at 10:12 pm to Jake88
So I guess it is worth throwing the innocent into to a machine to does nothing but take people that could had a chance of recovery and a good life and turn them into harden criminals. Even those who only did minor crimes are thrown into this machine and turned into a harden criminal. All our prison system does is create a vicious cycle of repeated incarcerations.

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Within three years, 52 percent of the 272,111 released prisoners were back in prison either because of a new crime or because they had violated their parole conditions (e.g., failed a drug test, missed a parole office appointment).

Men were more likely to be rearrested than were women (68 percent, compared to 58 percent), blacks more likely than whites (73 percent vs. 63 percent) and non-Hispanics more than Hispanics (71 percent vs. 65 percent).


Percent of Released Prisoners Returning to Incarceration





It is always easy to judge based on bias, it is harder to judge based on knowledge.



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Posted by RogerTheShrubber on 5/8 at 10:17 pm to ponger3d
Put a man in jail for a couple of years and he's worthless to society for the most part. Very little chance for a decent job or career. No wonder most resort to crime again.

Prison (taking years from a mans life) should be reserved for the violent criminal. We need alternative sentencing for non violent offenders.



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Posted by Jake88 on 5/8 at 10:24 pm to ponger3d
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So I guess it is worth throwing the innocent into to a machine to does nothing but take people that could had a chance of recovery and a good life and turn them into harden criminals.


Bull shite. Innocent? They rarely throw the guilty into prison.

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Even those who only did minor crimes are thrown into this machine and turned into a harden criminal.


Minor criminals are walking the street everyday. They spend a month or two in jail awaiting trial, reach a plea agreement and are out on the street having been giving credit for time served.

Not enough are imprisoned. We should be building more to house the garbage that only sew misery in this society. But, the naive like you will always lament for the prisoner because you have been able to remain a good distance from them so that your silly image of their "innocence" can easily be maintained.



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Posted by ponger3d on 5/8 at 10:45 pm to Jake88
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Bull shite. Innocent? They rarely throw the guilty into prison


Number of innocent people pulled off of death row



Why is violent crime rate going down (as reported by the FBI)



Even as the total population is going up and the number of prisoners are increasing?

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But, the naive like you will always lament for the prisoner because you have been able to remain a good distance from them so that your silly image of their "innocence" can easily be maintained.


No I believe in the fact that our criminal system does has flaws and that innocent people do get thrown in it. Even those who had a chance of being redeemed are ruined in this system.

It is always easy to judge based on bias, it is harder to judge based on knowledge.



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Posted by Jake88 on 5/9 at 12:02 am to ponger3d
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No I believe in the fact that our criminal system does has flaws and that innocent people do get thrown in it.


Those are rare and not the rule as you insinuate.

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Why is violent crime rate going down (as reported by the FBI)


Uhh, maybe because more criminals are being imprisoned more frequently and for longer periods of time than they were during the 1960's-1980's when crime was on the rise?

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Even as the total population is going up and the number of prisoners are increasing?


Even you can figure this one out.


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It is always easy to judge based on bias, it is harder to judge based on knowledge.


I judge based on experience, not merely numbers that can be manipulated to support whatever argument you care to make.


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Posted by germandawg on 5/9 at 5:49 am to DEANintheYAY
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Quite sad and only getting worse. The prison industrial complex is quite powerful in America thats for sure.


This is why fighting for the legalization of pot and other drugs is a tough battle. There are an awful lot of people, many of them rugged, self reliant job creators, whose entire sustenance relies on keeping people locked up. It isn't just prison officials and judges and lawyers but the entire prison contracting system that keeps the system going. And here some of ya'll thought this was a free country.....




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Posted by Vegas Bengal on 5/9 at 7:03 am to germandawg
How much can be sliced from state and federal prisons if say those convicted of DUI's, drug charges etc were all freed and given an ankle bracelets allowing them to go to work and home only?


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Posted by TrueTiger on 5/9 at 7:06 am to Kashonly
Does this mean that kids in Utah are getting a shitty education?

How do their test scores compare?



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Posted by roygu on 5/9 at 7:15 am to CC
Just think, the three ladies who were kept captive for over ten years by the Castro thug, can now get a job and support him the rest of his life.
What a great system.



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Posted by Kashonly on 5/9 at 11:22 am to roygu
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Just think, the three ladies who were kept captive for over ten years by the Castro thug, can now get a job and support him the rest of his life.
What a great system.


we should hire him as a private consultant as to how to provide for 3 inmates for 10 years for so little cost

those women look to be in great shape, why would actual criminals need any better?



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Posted by idlewatcher on 5/9 at 12:23 pm to roygu
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Just think, the three ladies who were kept captive for over ten years by the Castro thug, can now get a job and support him the rest of his life.


Just like the woman in CA who's husband raped their daughter. He filed back spousal support for 35k......and won! Even though he was busy raping their daughter. She's been supporting him for 15 years I believe.



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Posted by ponger3d on 5/9 at 12:27 pm to Jake88
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Jake88


Ok, you keep on saying that you judge based on experience. What experience do you have? I am actually quite interested to hear about it, because what ever you have been through has to be strong enough to create that very powerful opinion of yours.



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Posted by KrushGroove on 5/9 at 12:31 pm to ponger3d
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Ok, you keep on saying that you judge based on experience. What experience do you have? I am actually quite interested to hear about it, because what ever you have been through has to be strong enough to create that very powerful opinion of yours.


I've been working in incarceration for the last 4+ years.

To say I disagree with what he's been touting would be putting it lightly. What he's advocating is the opposite direction from where we should be moving. The system cannot be sustained for a number of reasons. Anyone who says they work in or with prisons and wants more of them is out of touch (or perhaps benefits from the growth and expansion of the prison industrial complex)


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