Whats up with all the love for 1911's?
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re: Whats up with all the love for 1911's?
Posted by DrTyger on 4/28 at 5:20 pm to SmackoverHawg





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Posted by chrisman17 on 4/28 at 6:35 pm to Choirboy
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Name my next 1911. Price need to be 1500 or so.


Dan Wesson Valor. No mim parts. Best production 1911 Ive owned. And I've owned more then I can count. :)



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Posted by Tom288 on 4/28 at 6:57 pm to chrisman17
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Dan Wesson Valor.


I'd recommend this over the TRP, the trouble is they're often a bitch to find.



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Posted by weagle99 on 4/28 at 7:05 pm to Tom288
Has anyone ever exposed one of the high dollar, tightly fitted, custom 1911s to mud, grit, or sand and seen how they perform?

Looser is often better when it comes to a fighting handgun.

BTW, where does the 8 round S&W 357 revolver fit in this discussion? More reliable than any auto and capacity comparable to most 1911 models.



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Posted by chrisman17 on 4/28 at 7:18 pm to weagle99
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Has anyone ever exposed one of the high dollar, tightly fitted, custom 1911s to mud, grit, or sand and seen how they perform?

Looser is often better when it comes to a fighting handgun.

BTW, where does the 8 round S&W 357 revolver fit in this discussion? More reliable than any auto and capacity comparable to most 1911 models.



I have 2600+ rds through my Custom Colt LW without cleaning. Used it in a high rd count last month too. Every once in a while I'll put some slip 2000 on the barrel, hood, and hammer hooks. It got some sand in it but no mud unfortunately. No hiccups. Haven't decided when I'll throw it in the ultra sonic cleaner yet..


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Posted by Judge Smails on 4/28 at 9:57 pm to chrisman17
Just researched the Valor. It is exquisite.


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Posted by Hook Em Horns on 4/28 at 11:48 pm to Judge Smails
Look people..

17+1 will ALWAYS be better than 8+1..

Everyday, and twice on sunday.



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Posted by faxis on 4/29 at 12:06 am to Hook Em Horns
No man you just gotta believe!!!!

Believe that you can hit the medula in a gun fight with pistols because your trigger is OSSUM and you've shot upwards to hundreds of rounds through your pistol and that's going to be exactly how you shoot when the adrenaline of a life or death situation sets in fully!

Because it was good enough for your grandpappy back when most handguns were revolvers so it's good enough for you!


frick YEAH!



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Posted by bapple on 4/29 at 12:38 am to faxis
That escalated quickly.


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Posted by faxis on 4/29 at 12:45 am to bapple
If you ever saw me truly exercising the art of the troll you'd be appalled.

I just find it frustrating when people can't recognize they aren't making sense and are defending their illogical conclusions to the end.

I love the 1911. It's a great weapon. But it is NOT what a person wanting to survive a gunfight in 2013 should willingly bring to it.



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Posted by bapple on 4/29 at 12:58 am to faxis
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I love the 1911. It's a great weapon. But it is NOT what a person wanting to survive a gunfight in 2013 should willingly bring to it.



Agreed, but a person wanting to survive has the choice to make the decision on his or her own.

EDIT: Personally I would choose something with high capacity. If I'm in a gunfight, I want the largest margin of error possible. This is the exact reason I carry a Kahr CM9 over a Springfield XDs. Even if the capacities are similar, I still get more chances to mess up with the Kahr.

But then again, if someone chooses the 1911, so be it.


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Posted by faxis on 4/29 at 1:02 am to bapple
No doubt. And if all you have is an inferior weapon, you should be as good with it as you possibly can and hope that compensates.

You should get yourself to the point where you are confident and BELIEVE.

That's very important when your life is on the line.

Especially when you've got limited attempts vs your opponent.

Make it count. You don't have a choice.



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Posted by Blue Velvet on 4/29 at 1:19 am to faxis
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You should get yourself to the point where you are confident and BELIEVE.
Don't worry. I BELIEVE.




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Posted by LouisianaChessie on 4/29 at 1:57 am to Choirboy
Got a TRP on the way. Talked to a guy who seemed like he knew a hell of a lot about 1911s. He talked 2 people I brought out of a kimber. When I went to ask about 1911s in the 1500 dollar range he told me mechanically there was nothing better than the TRP and it wasn't even close. Apparently kimber cuts some corners to make the gun seem smoother. But they are more prone to failure because of it. Obviously this guy has his opinion like everybody else but it takes a hell of a lot to convince me of something (because I'm bull headed like a sumbitch) but he sold me on the TRP.

BTW I didn't buy from him and made it clear my intention so take it for what's it worth



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Posted by Tom288 on 4/29 at 2:21 am to faxis
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faxis


You are one arrogant son of a bitch. That lump in your throat is probably the bull shite you're composed of.

You know, lets make this easy. Show me some studies or statistics pertaining to gun-fights or altercations; I want to know who was involved, what weapons were used, how many rounds were fired, and what the outcome was. Otherwise, you can take the shite you're pulling out of your arse and stick it right back in there.

It's amazing how the United States military, especially the Special Operations community, is moving back to the 1911. But I'm sure you're imaginary "drugged felon" bull shite scenario is far more dangerous than what they're facing, otherwise they'd obviously go for something with a few more rounds.

You want to talk about emotional attachment? You're like a retarded horse with "high capacity" blinders on that prevent you from acknowledging any counterpoint to your, "Durrr, a few extra rounds makes my gun 100 times better than urs" nonsense.

Jesus, you're fricking delusional. The 1911 has an unimpeachable combat record spanning a fricking century. Modern American military forces, including our very best, continue to rely on it as their preferred sidearm. Countless individuals use it for carry and self-defense as well as home-defense with no problem. So unless you want to put your money where your mouth is and dig up some statistics, or another form of evidence, that suggests a 1911 is anything but fully capable of tackling any situation your high cap Block can handle then you should probably STFU.

Statistics aren't on your side.
Thousands of individual citizens, members of the armed forces, and even law enforcement units (like SWAT teams: look up the LAPD SWAT team's preferred sidearm, or the FBI's HRT sidearm, or the Marines who comprise MARSOC for an even better example) aren't on your side. And a century of military combat in all conditions all around the world isn't on your side.

So unless you want to tell me that you're somehow facing more dangerous threats than arguably the best SWAT team in the country, not to mention numerous Spec Ops teams, as well as the FBI HRT team who cross trains with Delta, DEVGRU, the SAS and numerous other foreign Special Ops teams, then perhaps you should take your bloated ego along with your polymer toy and go bury them both in the backyard?

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But it is NOT what a person wanting to survive a gunfight in 2013 should willingly bring to it.


Again, you may want to inform the professionals who put their lives on the line every day that they've made a mistake in choosing their sidearm.

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No man you just gotta believe!!!! Believe that you can hit the medula in a gun fight with pistols because your trigger is OSSUM and you've shot upwards to hundreds of rounds through your pistol and that's going to be exactly how you shoot when the adrenaline of a life or death situation sets in fully! Because it was good enough for your grandpappy back when most handguns were revolvers so it's good enough for you! frick YEAH!


Nothing goes together like a strawman and a caricature. Here, I can do it too: You just gotta believe and trust in your few extra rounds because when you miss with the first 2/3rds or 3/4ths of your mag you just gotta trust in the fact that those last few magical rounds will find their way to their target and somehow drop them even though the majority of your ammo failed to do so. And buddy, don't even try to bring up some bull shite about all 1911's being practically antiques. Oh, and I like how I'm susceptible to adrenaline because I've apparently only taken my pistol out for casual range trips while you must obviously be some ice cold killer with nerves of steel, am I right? Or maybe it's that plastic cap gun you carry that makes you feel so invincible? Since you obviously can't read, I was the one that stressed the importance of training, familiarity, and comfort with one's weapon in order to be as prepared as possible for potential problems. You're the idiot whose mind can only latch onto a single point relating to ammo capacity,which I can easily negate by employing high capacity mags if I wish so I'd love to see what foot you'd have left to stand on in that case.


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you should be as good with it as you possibly can and hope that compensates.


No the wiser approach is to clearly seek comfort behind 3 or 4 more rounds and hope that they will compensate...even though the rounds leading up to those final few somehow failed to do the job.


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Posted by Blue Velvet on 4/29 at 2:30 am to Tom288




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Posted by Carson123987 on 4/29 at 2:52 am to Blue Velvet



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Posted by Tom288 on 4/29 at 3:05 am to Carson123987
I was calm and freaking polite too, until he decided to turn into a prick.


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Posted by kengel2 on 4/29 at 8:00 am to Tom288





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