Anyone heard these Optometrist vs. Ophthalmologist radio commercials?
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Anyone heard these Optometrist vs. Ophthalmologist radio commercials?
Posted by Golfer on 4/23 at 4:17 pm
I'm in the car but these Ophthalmologists are hilarious with their hyperbole


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Posted by BigJake on 4/23 at 4:21 pm to Golfer
The optometrists are right.


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Posted by SundayFunday on 4/23 at 4:25 pm to Golfer
I was just talking about this with my roommates. Thats some bull shite right there.

So can my chiropractor FINALLY do surgery on my spine too?!



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Posted by ElderTiger on 4/23 at 4:33 pm to SundayFunday
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So can my chiropractor FINALLY do surgery on my spine too?!


Was thinking the same thing- I'm old enough to remember when chiropractors were rounded up and thrown in jail.
That being said, optometrist have no business doing surgery with their current level of training. As for me, if I need eye surgery, I want a medical school grad doing it.



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Posted by Coon on 4/23 at 4:37 pm to ElderTiger
I'm not sure what the difference between the two are but you'd swear that the ones paying for the ads were these world renowned specialists and the other ones are walking around with rusty scalpels and just handing out cocaine.


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Posted by WizardOfAahs on 4/23 at 4:50 pm to Coon
Optometrist = general physician of the eye
Opthalmologist = eye surgeon

The surgical procedures optometrists are asking to be allowed to perform are minor and do not involve cutting the eye itself (therefore, no cataract surgery, retinal surgery, LASIK etc.). The procedures they are asking to be able to do are safe, taught in optometry schools and are currently being done by optometrists in other states. In fact, an optometrist cannot currently drain a conjunctival cyst (a simple procedure that involves poking a hole in a fluid filled tissue using a high guage needle) yet cosmotologists are tattooing eyeliner on women legally and you can get a flu shot from a non-physician at Walgreens.

It is a shame that optometry has to go before the legislature and fight ophthalmology in order to gain the right to perform any new procedure that comes out that is logical for an optometrist to be able to do. The profession is state regulated and therefore scope of practice is different across borders, despite equal training for all optometrists. This is not the case for ophthalmologists who can practice in any state freely.

Medicine doesn't cry foul when dentists want to pull teeth or podiatrists remove an ingrown toenail. These aren't medical doctors either. The entire issue is about money.


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Posted by Adam Banks on 4/23 at 4:51 pm to Coon
Well one is trained in surgery and the other is not....

Opthamolgist=MD 4 years Med school 4 years residency+possibly 1-2 year fellowship and trained in surgical procedures all the way through
Optometrist= od 4 years optometry school


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Posted by brewhan davey on 4/23 at 4:53 pm to WizardOfAahs
Pretty solid and informative first post


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Posted by lordguill on 4/23 at 4:55 pm to Coon
Ophthalmologists > Optometrists


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Posted by Coon on 4/23 at 4:56 pm to Adam Banks
I don't care either way but I've got to side with optometrists because the other one sounds so full of shite.


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Posted by fisherbm1112 on 4/23 at 4:59 pm to Golfer
I have heard that commercial about 5 times today. They are pretty funny. There is a couple that I heard.


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Posted by Northgate on 4/23 at 5:02 pm to fisherbm1112
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Posted by OTIS2 on 4/23 at 5:04 pm to WizardOfAahs
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Optometrist = general physician of the eye
Opthalmologist = eye surgeon

The surgical procedures optometrists are asking to be allowed to perform are minor and do not involve cutting the eye itself (therefore, no cataract surgery, retinal surgery, LASIK etc.). The procedures they are asking to be able to do are safe, taught in optometry schools and are currently being done by optometrists in other states. In fact, an optometrist cannot currently drain a conjunctival cyst (a simple procedure that involves poking a hole in a fluid filled tissue using a high guage needle) yet cosmotologists are tattooing eyeliner on women legally and you can get a flu shot from a non-physician at Walgreens.

It is a shame that optometry has to go before the legislature and fight ophthalmology in order to gain the right to perform any new procedure that comes out that is logical for an optometrist to be able to do. The profession is state regulated and therefore scope of practice is different across borders, despite equal training for all optometrists. This is not the case for ophthalmologists who can practice in any state freely.

Medicine doesn't cry foul when dentists want to pull teeth or podiatrists remove an ingrown toenail. These aren't medical doctors either. The entire issue is about money.
Yep. Always has been and always will be. Maybe the opthalmologists should start doing cosmetic botox treatments if they are so strapped for cash...no...wait...

Nevermind.


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Posted by medtiger on 4/23 at 5:08 pm to WizardOfAahs
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The procedures they are asking to be able to do are safe, taught in optometry schools and are currently being done by optometrists in other states.


I was hoping this thread wouldn't pop up on TD this week. Now, I have to get involved.

I'm guessing you're an optometrist?? If not, you're certainly well informed about the issues.

However, the procedures they're asking for include many surgeries on the surface of the eye, and are not taught in optometry school. Some of them have to be done in an operating room (pterygium).

The biggest issue for me is that the board of optometry will be given the right to regulate optometric scope of practice if this passes. They won't be bound the the state board of medical examiners even though they'll be performing medical procedures.

It's really quite simple. There's a way for you to perform these procedures...go to med school, train in ophthalmology and go crazy.

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In fact, an optometrist cannot currently drain a conjunctival cyst (a simple procedure that involves poking a hole in a fluid filled tissue using a high guage needle)


Here's exhibit A of why this shouldn't pass. The reason optometrists shouldn't be allowed to do these things isn't because they don't have the technical ability to do them (although some may not, but we don't know because they've never been supervised); it's because knowing when to perform surgery and when not to is more important than actually doing the procedure. Conjunctival cysts have to be excised, or they recur. Sticking a needle in one is a temporary fix that really does no long term good.

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Medicine doesn't cry foul when dentists want to pull teeth or podiatrists remove an ingrown toenail. These aren't medical doctors either.


Dentists and podiatrists have something optometrists don't...supervised training.


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Posted by Adam Banks on 4/23 at 5:22 pm to WizardOfAahs
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dentists
surgeon

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podiatrists
surgeon

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Optometrist
not a surgeon

Also as medtiger brought up the bill takes away all regulations essentially. Why should the optometrist stop before LASIK etc.



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Posted by medtiger on 4/23 at 5:27 pm to Adam Banks
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the bill takes away all regulations essentially. Why should the optometrist stop before LASIK etc.


If the optometrists were smarter, they'd include less things in this bill in order to get their foot in the door. If they left out all of the surgery stuff, they'd be more likely to get this passed, and then be able to do whatever they wanted.

And to those on the optometrists side saying this is all about money...of course it is. The optometrists want to make more without having to go through more training that they'd have to pay for.



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Posted by Northgate on 4/23 at 5:29 pm to medtiger
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Posted by Adam Banks on 4/23 at 5:31 pm to medtiger
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The optometrists want to make more without having to go through more training that they'd have to pay for.



Attempting to achieve through legislation rather than education.





BTW not an opthamologist or optometrist.



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Posted by WizardOfAahs on 4/23 at 5:33 pm to medtiger
I'm not an optometrist, but I went to mine today and asked him about these very radio commercials. He spent a good bit of time explaining to me what optometry was asking for and why and refuted some of the false claims made by ophthalmology.


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Posted by medtiger on 4/23 at 5:33 pm to Northgate
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Maybe optometrists should only be able to prescribe glasses, not surgery.


Agreed.

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And ophthalmologists only do surgery, not prescribe glasses.


Why? I went through a residency where I did specific rotations where I learned how to prescribe glasses and contact lenses to people of all ages. Just like optometrists did. My residency also included doing different surgical procedures on over 300 eyes when I had an experienced ophthalmologist sitting right next to me teaching me. And that's only what I did in the OR. Optometrists don't even have someone who can teach them how to properly perform the procedures they're asking permission to do, and, as I evidenced earlier in this thread, don't understand when it's appropriate to perform a lot of procedures.



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