Is there much difference between the Obama style and the Jindal style?
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Is there much difference between the Obama style and the Jindal style?
Posted by doubleb on 4/10 at 2:05 pm
If you look at the leadership styles of both men it is apparent to me that while each is big on ideas neither knows how to build a coalition to support their innitiatives or how to get support for their innitiatives.

Look at Obama's budget. I t was late, done in secrecy, and all we heard was an occasional idea he'd float in order that he could see which way the wind was blowing.

Obama finally puts his budget out there, and hardly anyone that matters is on board with him. You hardly hear any Democrat support much less any Republican support.

Because of the way he put his budget together, it will not be passed and all it will become is a campaign slogan or two. And in reality, that is probably all he wants anyway.

Now look at Jindal and his tax reform plan. It was also put together behind the scenes. I didn't see any efforts to bring in anyone outside of his inner circle to help him with the plan. I can't recall anyone in the legislature helping him, or if he reached out to members of his party or the opposition party to help with the plan.

As a result his plan too bit the dust before it was even debated by the legislature. Opposition came from all sides and it had no chance.

What happened to presidents and governors who worked with business, labor, Dems and Republicans, Libs and conservatives; got their ideas and tried to put beneficial legislation forward FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY(STATE) instead of for the good of their resume'????

The lack of leadership in today's politics is killing this country. No one wants to lead, but everyone wants to win elections.



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Posted by WeeWee on 4/10 at 2:06 pm to doubleb
You are trying too hard.


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Posted by Choctaw on 4/10 at 2:11 pm to doubleb
seriously??

see Louisiana...this is why we can't have nice things.



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Posted by ragincajun03 on 4/10 at 2:12 pm to doubleb
Both different political philosophies, obviously. If you gave me a choice between Jindal or Obama, I would vote Jindal every time and not think twice.

However, despite his campaigning on transparency and a "new day" in Baton Rouge (much like Obama/Pelosi in 2008 promising the same thing in Washington, D.C.), not much has changed in that aspect. The Jindal Administration operates in a manner of arrogance towards anyone who might pose even reasonable questions about their policies.

I don't think Jindal/Obama are alone in this. Like your last statement, I think this is what politics has become. You now have the influence of consultant leeches for these politicians growing more each day.

These consultant types become personal attack dogs who really don't care about the truth, or about conservatism/liberalism/libertarianism/any ideology or principle. Many really don't have a genuine care for the future of Louisiana/United States and its taxpayers and people.

Rather, all they care about is their candidate's image winning...so that the gravy train continues, and they keep moving up the butt-kissing political ladder.

Gov. Jindal ran on ethics, transparency and reform of politics in Baton Rouge and state government...then 4 years later endorses Edwin Edwards's former right hand man for Senate President.


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Posted by WildTchoupitoulas on 4/10 at 2:20 pm to doubleb
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Is there much difference between the Obama style and the Jindal style?If you look at the leadership styles of both men it is apparent to me that while each is big on ideas neither knows how to build a coalition to support their innitiatives or how to get support for their innitiatives.

In that neither one really knows what they're doing, yes.

There, the comparisons stop.



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Posted by Choctaw on 4/10 at 2:25 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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In that neither one really knows what they're doing, yes.


Louisiana has seen its best economic times under Jindal.



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Posted by WildTchoupitoulas on 4/10 at 2:30 pm to Choctaw
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Louisiana has seen its best economic times under Jindal.

I doubt it, link?

I would also hesitate to give full credit to Jindal for our current economic state. It has LOT to do with the oil and gas industry, specifically the shale gas formations that have been opened up during his term.



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Posted by WeeWee on 4/10 at 2:31 pm to doubleb
The difference Jindal's economic policies worked, Obama's have failed more than a fat, acne faced, dork trying to have sex with Kate Upton.


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Posted by Choctaw on 4/10 at 2:53 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I doubt it, link?


i've posted this 100 times but here LINK

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would also hesitate to give full credit to Jindal for our current economic state


ofcourse you would



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Posted by WildTchoupitoulas on 4/10 at 2:58 pm to Choctaw
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i've posted this 100 times but here

Perhaps you have, but that doesn't support this statement:
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Louisiana has seen its best economic times under Jindal.

Unless there was another over-the-top, GoodTimesAhead article that I missed about how this is the BEST economy Louisiana has had EVAH!!1!
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ofcourse you would

Any reasonable person would hesitate to put all of the credit - or all of the blame - on one executive.



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Posted by Oenophile Brah on 4/10 at 3:01 pm to doubleb
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Look at Obama's budget. I t was late, done in secrecy, and all we heard was an occasional idea he'd float in order that he could see which way the wind was blowing

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it will not be passed and all it will become is a campaign slogan or two. And in reality, that is probably all he wants anyway.

You just answered the Obama side of the equation.

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Now look at Jindal and his tax reform plan
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. I can't recall anyone in the legislature helping him, or if he reached out to members of his party or the opposition party to help with the plan.
He worked with plenty of people to figure out the #'s. You can't just change the entire tax structure by yourself or quickly. This was always going to take time.

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What happened to presidents and governors who worked with business, labor, Dems and Republicans, Libs and conservatives; got their ideas and tried to put beneficial legislation forward FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY(STATE) instead of for the good of their resume'????

Jindal is not perfect, but he is still working with the legislature to pass some form of tax reform. He lead by proposing a plan, it was debated in public with specifics given and it was defeated. The plan isn't all bad, it needs to be tweaked. He didn't give up on the idea and is hoping for legislative help to have real income tax reform. This is the process.

Obama was forced to propose a budget, he did, and it is intentionally not serious. It won't even be brought up for a vote.

If you can't see that these are different leadership styles then I don't know what to tell you.


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Posted by Radiojones on 4/10 at 3:05 pm to doubleb
At least Jindal does not rule by executive order.


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Posted by ragincajun03 on 4/10 at 3:07 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Any reasonable person would hesitate to put all of the credit - or all of the blame - on one executive.


Bingo. But you can't explain that to people who want to blindly love/hate a particular politician.

The Jindal Administration did not create the Haynesville Shale. They didn't discover it. They didn't create the Tuscaloosa trend either.

They did what any responsible Governor should do and stayed the hell away, not imposing some BS regulations or halting exploration until "research" on fracking could be done.

My beef with Jindal has been the arrogance and hypocrisy of his administration, and the way they insert themselves, like you hinted at, in taking full credit for good things they had barely a real hand in, while completely shoving off any blame for something negative they may have had a hand in.

Can't have it both ways.



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Posted by doubleb on 4/10 at 4:30 pm to ragincajun03
The point I wanted to make is that neither guy works with people outside their inner circle.

They come out with proposals that they want passed, but without the initial help from allies and people from the outside of the administrations; their rpoposals suffer and they lack the necessary leadership to build a coalition once their plans hit the streets.

Now I voted for Jindal each time and against Obama each time; but I've been very disatisfied the way Jindal works as a loner, works in the shadows, and then pushes for his legislation to pass.

Believe me I'm for vouchers, I'm for elemination of the state income tax, and I am a conservative; but there has to be a better way to get things done than by simply relying on the "plan".

As for Obama, I could care less if he lead. His plans are bad for the country and I'm happy to see them die.



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