Matt Flynn traded to Raiders for two picks
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Posted by extremetigerfanatic on 3/31 at 8:12 pm to LSURussian
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Maybe the coaches were to blame for him being totally unprepared against Oregon State in 2004

I'm lost. Is this a joke? We are talking about Jamarcus Russell right? The guy that single handedly won this game by essentially not running the shite plays that were being called and drawing a couple of TD passes up with Bowe in the dirt, right? The FRESHMAN that kept us from being laughing stock in our first game at home after winning the national title the year before? (with a nod to my favorite kicker Alexis Serna)
Just want to make sure I had it right.

BTW, JR lead LSU to two straight 11-2 seasons before Flynn did it in 2007. So yeah, the stars aligned for Flynn in 2007 that allowed him to go to the title game with the exact same record that JR had provided twice already.

I am making no excuse for the fat slob that was Jamarcus Russell Oakland Raider. But damn you people forget what an amazing damn QB he was for us for two years. There is a reason Flynn sat behind him for two years and would have sat a third if he had not gone pro early.


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Posted by Rittdog on 4/1 at 12:30 am to JBeam
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why do you keep making it sound like Flynn won the BCSNG with no help whatsoever. That's great that he was the MVP of the game. But, you are mixing team and individual accomplishments to better support your argument.



I honestly think that Brady Quinn Notre Dame team was better than the OSU team Flynn faced.



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Posted by Doc Fenton on 4/1 at 5:09 am to extremetigerfanatic
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Maybe the coaches were to blame for him being totally unprepared against Oregon State in 2004

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The guy that single handedly won this game by essentially not running the shite plays that were being called and drawing a couple of TD passes up with Bowe in the dirt, right?


Sort of reinforces my point, does it not?

I say Russell obviously hadn't learned the playbook. You say you're "lost," because he was drawing up new plays in the dirt that helped LSU win. Not just changing plays--drawing up new plays in the dirt. Think about it.

Like I already said, maybe the coaches were to blame, but he very clearly did not know the playbook that day at all, and he had been at LSU for over a year at that point.

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BTW, JR lead LSU to two straight 11-2 seasons before Flynn did it in 2007. So yeah, the stars aligned for Flynn in 2007 that allowed him to go to the title game with the exact same record that JR had provided twice already.


Why do people keep illogically bringing this up? It's a total red herring. Was the 2007 offense much better and more consistent than the 2006 offense? Yes. Yes, of course. No reasonable person disputes this. So why bother comparing 3-7 & 10-23 losses to 37-43 and 48-50 losses, as if that's somehow meaningful, and making such a big fuss over luck and fate? It doesn't make any sense and all of you know it. Just stop.

We're talking about the offense here. In some sense, yes, we're comparing apples & oranges because the Crowton offense was totally different than the Jimbo offense. But whatever the reason, the 2007 offense was better, and this is after losing the Bowe, Davis, and the right side of the line. It just pisses me off that some people can't admit what Flynn accomplished because they're angry about a lack of recognition for a 2006 offense that was clearly inferior.

Somebody made fun of me earlier because I brought up Frazier at Nebraska as a comparison, but really, since those Nebraska teams, how many QBs do you know of who always led their team to scoring 28 points for each game? It's simply an amazing stat, and you can count on one hand the number of other college QBs that have ever done anything like that.

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I am making no excuse for the fat slob that was Jamarcus Russell Oakland Raider. But damn you people forget what an amazing damn QB he was for us for two years.


The old "Russell became a totally different person" argument. Forgive me if I'm just not buying it. Occam's razor tells me that the far simpler explanation is that the same bad habits I saw and talked about while he was at LSU were the same bad habits that eventually did him in with the NFL.

I'm not forgetting anything. I've been pretty consistent from 2005 on in saying that Russell was a great quarterback, but one who tended to rely too much on raw talent, and who led a lot of very disappointing offensive scoring performances under Jimbo's frustrating offense.

You can say that he was a better overall QB than Flynn, and would have done better than Flynn with Crowton's coaching, but the fact remains, Flynn in 2007 exceeded what Russell did in 2006 in terms of leading a consistent high-scoring offense, and he did it with less supporting talent around him to help.



Now I'm sure most people are wondering why I bother arguing about this so many years after the fact, but I'm doing it because nobody else will, and I'm tired of seeing other posters on here act like it's the height of ignorant stupidity to say that Flynn did better at LSU than Russell did.

It's not stupid at all. You can add all kinds of "yeah, but if X or Y" contingencies, and you can say that Russell was more talented anyway, and you can say that it doesn't make a difference either way to try to judge individual performances in a team game, and you might be right, but I wish everybody would stop treating it like something that's outside the bounds of proper or polite Rant opinion. It's a legit point of view.

And while I was often exasperated by JaMarcus while he was at LSU from 2004 through the first half of 2006, I've had absolutely no beef with the guy since he turned it around at the end of 2006. I thought the Bama Boy incident was funny and sort of reinforced my earlier opinion that he was never really that into LSU, but it's not like I felt personally offended by it or anything. I admit I've chuckled at a couple of JaWalrus jokes, but shite happens in life, and I am genuinely pulling for the guy to make a team this year.

I just think that people need to stop obsessing over individual statistics and awards, and start looking more on the end results of what worked better for the offense as a whole in big games.



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Posted by Doc Fenton on 4/1 at 5:09 am to Rittdog
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I honestly think that Brady Quinn Notre Dame team was better than the OSU team Flynn faced.





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Posted by coolpapaboze on 4/1 at 8:49 am to Doc Fenton
Well said.


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Posted by EarthwormJim on 4/1 at 9:20 am to Doc Fenton
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You can say that he was a better overall QB than Flynn, and would have done better than Flynn with Crowton's coaching, but the fact remains, Flynn in 2007 exceeded what Russell did in 2006 in terms of leading a consistent high-scoring offense, and he did it with less supporting talent around him to help.


The offense was better in 2007 because of an improved running game. The team accomplished great things that year, but I don't see how Flynn was a better at leading the offense.

In 2007, the offense scored 38.6/game with 35 rushing TDs and 29 passing TDs.

In 2006, the offense score 33.7/game with 25 rushing TDs and 30 passing TDs.
The difference in ppg being 4.9/game. The 10 more rushing TDs come out to 4.3/game.

Also the 2007 offense averaged around 22 yards/game more than the 2006 offense. However the 2007 offense averaged 48 rushing yards/game more and 26 passing yards less/game.

JR's passer efficiency rating in 2006 was also 30 points higher than Flynn's in 2007.

Also I completely disagree about Flynn doing it with lesser talent.

Flynn had a 1100 rusher on the team, the 2006 team's highest rusher was 440 yards.

Bowe was the best receiver during those 2 years and clearly the most talented. However Bowe, Davis, Doucet were not head and shoulders above Lafell, Byrd, Doucet.



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Posted by zwoodl1 on 4/1 at 9:43 am to tduecen
Oakland has a top tier running back and one of the best fullbacks in the game(who both catch balls out fo the backfield) along with some fast recievers who arent household names only because they havent had a quarterback! They don't lack talent their, just haven't really had opportunities to show themselves! Flynn will light it up with theses speedsters.


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Posted by jimithing11 on 4/1 at 10:19 am to zwoodl1
Trade is now complete


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Posted by tigerpimpbot on 4/1 at 10:32 am to zwoodl1
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Oakland has a top tier running back and one of the best fullbacks in the game(who both catch balls out fo the backfield) along with some fast recievers who arent household names only because they havent had a quarterback! They don't lack talent their, just haven't really had opportunities to show themselves! Flynn will light it up with theses speedsters.


Jacoby Ford is going to light it up.



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Posted by zwoodl1 on 4/1 at 11:37 am to tigerpimpbot
Glad someone else has sense and doesnt think he's going to fail miserably! Thansk for knowing football!


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Posted by JBeam on 4/1 at 11:38 am to jimithing11
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Trade is now complete

love watching Carson Palmer suffer.



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Posted by Child of the Missip on 4/1 at 11:52 am to Elleshoe
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don't remember him doing it the first time.


Your joking right? Matt Flynn won a Championship with less talent right after JaMarcus left.




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Posted by tduecen on 4/1 at 11:54 am to zwoodl1
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Oakland has a top tier running back and one of the best fullbacks in the game(who both catch balls out fo the backfield) along with some fast recievers who arent household names only because they havent had a quarterback! They don't lack talent their, just haven't really had opportunities to show themselves! Flynn will light it up with theses speedsters.



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Posted by Child of the Missip on 4/1 at 11:55 am to EarthwormJim
Why didn't we win a championship with Jamarcus then?


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Posted by EarthwormJim on 4/1 at 12:02 pm to Child of the Missip
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Why didn't we win a championship with Jamarcus then?


Seriously?

Are you sayin we won in 2007 strictly because of Flynn and we didn't win in 2006 because of Russel?

Because we weren't ranked high enough in the BCS that year to be in the championship game.



This post was edited on 4/1 at 12:12 pm

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Posted by Tmacelroy12 on 4/1 at 12:06 pm to Woverw
This doesn't make me a fan of the raiders, but glad to see him get out of seattle.


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