Ideal Pelicans First Offseason 2013
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Ideal Pelicans First Offseason 2013
Posted by drake20 on 3/19 at 2:48 pm
Looking for some offseason discussion this afternoon...All of us have different opinions about what the team's weaknesses are--from PG to SF to C, even SG.

I'm going to assume that Monty Williams and Eric Gordon will be back next season. Monty did just receive an extension, so I don't think he will be fired....A healthy Eric Gordon still gives this team its best chance at being very good relatively soon. We don't have much reason to believe he can do it, but that good scorer (15-20 PPG) for most or all of the season would go a long way. Also, we gave him a big contract of his own, and it will not be easy to trade him with more injury problems, the excessive contract, and his underwhelming performance on the court.

Monty likes defense. Whether or not he puts a good D on the court is another matter. However, that fact paired with Monty's recent comments about lacking perimeter D makes me think that we will draft a 1,2, or 3 (more likely 1 or 3) with a good defensive reputation. As corndeaux has been saying, this team has been pretty good offensively with Gordon. It's the defense that has been terrible.

The Hornets are closing in on a top 5 pick. With the above said, I think the team is very likely to select one of these players:

Marcus Smart
Otto Porter
Shabazz Muhammad
Victor Oladipo (could play SF)

I don't think Nerlens Noel will be the pick. I agree that he and Davis are redundant. Also, while I don't think anyone thinks the ACL will be a big deal, it might be a concern for the Hornets who already have injury worries with Gordon.

From what I've read, Marcus Smart could play PG and/or SG and Oladipo could play SG and/or SF---making them solid players that can play positions of need (PG or SF). I don't think McLemore will be available when we pick, and from what I've seen, he is strictly a SG (not what the team is looking for, imo). Obviously, if the team rates McLemore way above the other prospects and he is available, they should take their BPA.

I perceive the weaknesses on the team to be at PG and SF. The center position is satisfactory for the near future, imo.

Point Guard:

Vasquez CAN be a starting point guard in the league. He is a great passer and average scorer for a PG. Plays sometimes die when he has the ball and he can force some shots, but that is a product of this team and season, imo. With Gordon out, he is the only player on the team that can create his own shot and is forced to do too much. He can be even better offensively if he can be more of a complementary player (Occasional pick-and-rolls; more spot-up shooting. He will need to keep improving 3PT%).

Defensively, Vasquez is a liability. Recent quotes from Monty stated that the perimeter D has been bad, and that the bigs' D has looked worse than it is because of this. In large part here, he must be talking about Vasquez. Gordon and Aminu are solid perimeter defenders.

Those comments, along with Dell's raving about Oladipo?, make me think that Smart or Oladipo could very well be Pelicans come June 27.

Past Vasquez, the team needs to add another backup PG/combo guard via the draft or free agency. I think Roberts will be kept on as a fifth guard.

Shooting Guard:

Leave this position alone.

As I said, I'm gonna assume Gordon is back and healthy in my ideal scenario. He'll be the starting SG of course, and is more than capable offensively and defensively when all is well.

Rivers is gonna be a primary backup guard, imo. Jester was saying he hasn't earned the backup spot, and they are training him to be a PG. That may be true, but he is still more of a SG to me (I see him being the first 2 on the reserve unit). What position he plays isn't very important though. What is significant is that he will be one of the first guards off the bench. While his rookie season was disappointing, Rivers made improvements. He was shooting much better percentages before he got hurt, and I think we all were impressed with his defense. He's the tenth pick. We haven't seen enough bad to relegate him to the end of the bench and garbage time for next season, imo (there was a lot of bad though ).

Adding a PG/combo guard is a must this offseason to cover for Rivers if he can't cut it.

Small Forward:

Worst position on the team...Ryan Anderson is not a SF.

I've been a fan of Aminu, and I'm not against keeping him around for the right price. His defense and energy have been welcome, but his extreme offensive ineptitude doesn't work (at least not on this team as of now). He's better than Ariza at a fraction of the cost, but he should be a backup.

His rebounding is nice, but it's overrated. Being able to knock down a jump shot is a much more valuable trait for a SF.

Darius Miller is a second round pick who hasn't done much, with a few exceptions. Until I see significant evidence to the contrary, I'm gonna assume he's an end of the bench/D-league player next season.

I love Lance Thomas--great guy. I met him once. :csb: He's a tweener that doesn't really work at SF or PF--another end of the bench/D-league guy.

Adding another player at this position is a must, imo. Porter, Oladipo, and Muhammad(my favorite) could all fit the bill.

Power Forward:

Leave this position alone.

Hopefully, Anthony Davis a starter down low for the next 17 years....not much else to say. He's doing big things in most major categories, especially PER. Give him some minutes, Monty! The sky is the limit.

Anderson is a great shooter at the PF position. Great asset to have and fun for the fans. He should continue getting 30+ MPG, and we should not trade him. If he's our permanent sixth man, so be it, but we should keep this guy.

I think he and Davis can eventually start together, alleviating some of this problem of having two of our best players at one position. A lot of you disagree with me here, but I think it's the best way to maximize talent without having to seriously consider trading Ryno. If Davis and Ryno can't play anywhere but PF, I think there will be a minutes/not having your best players on the court problem there.

Jason Smith can play both PF and C. He's solid.

Center:

Leave this position alone.

Robin Lopez is a pretty polarizing player, along with Vasquez, in regards to his ability as a starter. He's very skilled offensively. He's 13th in PPG among centers(#5 FG% of those players) in way less MPG.

Again, defense is the problem here. He's slow and struggles mightily with pick-and-roll D. It's a trade-off a lot of the time though. We want a center with size/girth to deal with the Bynums/Howards of the world, but at the same time, we want a center that can move and defend the pick-and-roll. Having both attributes is not very common. The players that have both are the best centers in the league.

Lopez is a bad rebounder. I have a few questions here:

Can he improve in this area significantly? He is still a young player at a position where players often mature slowly.

When he is failing to grab rebounds, is the man he's supposed to be boxing out getting them? Is he in good position/fundamentally sound and just not finishing the play, or is he just horrible all-around in this department?

Lopez has a great contract that he is outperforming, and he's a guy that we can play 20-25 MPG as a productive starter. This low-minute production allows Anthony Davis positional flexibility for the future. Signing a big-name center would eliminate this flexibility. He's a good shot-blocker, and his size makes him disruptive at the rim. His offensive skill and size outweigh his lateral slowness, imo(many centers struggle with this).












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Posted by drake20 on 3/19 at 2:49 pm to drake20
I'm not against getting a more mobile/athletic center in the future(if Davis can't work), but for next season, I like Lopez.

Davis can play some here. Smith will play some here. Amundson has looked pretty good in limited action--could be a solid end of the bench big.


If we draft Smart, i'd be interested in bringing in two of these free agents or one to pair with Aminu:

Corey Brewer
Dorell Wright
Chase Budinger
Chris Copeland

If we draft Porter, Shabazz, or Oladipo, I'd like these guys to help out at the guard positions:

Tyreke Evans
Jeff Teague
Darren Collison
Mo Williams
Isaiah Thomas
Toney Douglas
Nate Robinson


...Pekovic would probably be the best option at C, but I'd rather not go after him. I would love to find a way to get Wilson Chandler.

Chris Paul, Brandon Jennings, Iguodala, Howard, Bynum, and Jefferson would be some bigger splashes.

What do y'all think? What would be your ideal situation going into the 2013-14 season as Pelicans?(somewhat realistically).

In this offseason, we will sell out of season tickets (for GrandeBeli).

This is all my opinion. A lot of it has been discussed before--just wanted to post some thoughts.

TL;DR


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Posted by Chad504boy on 3/19 at 2:52 pm to drake20



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Posted by droman225 on 3/19 at 2:53 pm to drake20
That is a bunch of fricking words


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Posted by BayouBengal0505 on 3/19 at 2:55 pm to droman225
How much you willing to pay Chad for him?


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Posted by danman6336 on 3/19 at 2:59 pm to droman225
My ten steps to an ideal off-season:

1. Trade Gordon

2-10. Other stuff



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Posted by danman6336 on 3/19 at 3:00 pm to droman225
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That is a bunch of fricking words
Oh, and this too



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Posted by drake20 on 3/19 at 3:10 pm to Chad504boy
A team more desperate than us is gonna make the Bynum gamble...too risky.


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Posted by CQQ on 3/19 at 3:19 pm to drake20
Damn good write up. I can't wait for the draft because it's really going to show which direction we are going (Aminu vs. draft pick or GV vs. draft pick) and will ultimately determine which direction we go in FA. Assuming we get the 3rd/4th/5th pick, I'd like Porter more than Shabazz. I'm curious why you wouldn't want Pekovic. Dude is a beast and Minny already said they weren't paying him. Lopez is not a starting center in this league, although he would be a great back up. A front court of Pek/AD/Ryan/Smith/Lopez would be one of the best in the league. Porter/Aminu would have potential to be a great combination as would Gordon/Rivers.


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Posted by TigerinATL on 3/19 at 3:22 pm to drake20
I really don't have too many targets, I just know a few moves I'd make.

I would trade Lopez for sure. Davis should be able to play more center minutes. I know starting an Aaron Gray type seems like a step backwards, but you probably need to take a step backwards like that for Monty to play Davis and Anderson as much as he should.

Monty said in the Zach Lowe interview that Vasquez and Aminu are killing the offense. I'm not in a hurry to trade Vasquez because I think Rivers has the potential to replace him and Vasquez would be good off the bench, but I'm also assuming that Vasquez won't get a big pay day. I think he'll get similar to what Jarret Jack gets this offseason, so if Jack gets around $5 million or less I'd keep Vasquez but if he gets much more than that I'd start shopping Vasquez. I'd be willing to keep Aminu around off the bench on a cheap contract but we have to have a starter that can shoot in addition to defending. Whether that's a FA like Corey Brewer or drafting Otto Porter I guess depends on how the ping pong balls bounce.



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Posted by DeionDeion on 3/19 at 3:33 pm to TigerinATL
DID NOT READ!!!!!


kidding I tend to agree with most of what you said except that we should leave C alone I am beginning to lean towards letting Davis play PF for a few years and then we look into if he can play C

also where have you seen Oladipo as a SF? Everything I've seen suggests he is strictly a SG I mean he's 6'5" 215 right? And aren't scouts saying that Bazz is small for a SF at 6'6" 225?

also I dont think people should leave out Anthony Bennett I think he's got crazy potential and flying under the radar in a draft without many sure things


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Posted by CQQ on 3/19 at 3:37 pm to DeionDeion
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also where have you seen Oladipo as a SF? Everything I've seen suggests he is strictly a SG I mean he's 6'5" 215 right?


Yeah, I'm guessing he's seen him listed as a SG/SF but he won't be a primary SF in the NBA. Of course he may play with 2 other guards but not a true 3.


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Posted by WhoDatPelican596 on 3/19 at 3:37 pm to drake20
Vasquez CANNOT be a starting PG in this league. Not for us, and not for any of the other 29 teams. I like him as a person for his work ethic. But its a Tim Tebow type situation. Hard worker, loves where he plays and loves his team, but sucks at his position. Tebow isn't a good QB, Vasquez isn't a good PG. If you stop being blinded by a good stat line and actually watch how he plays, you'll see how poor he is.


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Posted by droman225 on 3/19 at 3:40 pm to WhoDatPelican596
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Vasquez CANNOT be a starting PG in this league. Not for us, and not for any of the other 29 teams.


:andherewego.gif:



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Posted by CQQ on 3/19 at 3:42 pm to WhoDatPelican596
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Vasquez CANNOT be a starting PG in this league. Not for us, and not for any of the other 29 teams. I like him as a person for his work ethic. But its a Tim Tebow type situation. Hard worker, loves where he plays and loves his team, but sucks at his position. Tebow isn't a good QB, Vasquez isn't a good PG. If you stop being blinded by a good stat line and actually watch how he plays, you'll see how poor he is.


Not really the thread for this, not to mention you sound ridiculous.



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Posted by JohnZeroQ on 3/19 at 3:43 pm to drake20
Keep General unless something sure fire way better comes along.
Please dump Gordon.
If a guy like Pek-o-Vich is there and we can get him, Id take that.

I hope Otto Porter is available.

1st season as Pelicans should give us a ton to talk about. Hopefully wins follow



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Posted by Chad504boy on 3/19 at 3:50 pm to BayouBengal0505
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How much you willing to pay Chad for him?


I'm willing to pay chad $20 million a year for him.



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Posted by quail man on 3/19 at 3:56 pm to TigerinATL
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I would trade Lopez for sure.


why on earth would you do that? he has a very favorable contract, and he could make an amazing backup center if the hornets could find someone to replace him, or even if they allow davis to eventually (i'm not convinced that's next year) take his minutes.

and to the jackass who compared GV to Tim fricking Tebow...your a moron. and yes i purposefully misused you're to make a point of how moronic that statement was.

eta: great writeup, drake. i don't agree with all of it, but great writeup


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Posted by OldSouth on 3/19 at 4:08 pm to drake20
Step 1. Change that stupid arse name.


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Posted by TigerinATL on 3/19 at 4:08 pm to quail man
quote:

why on earth would you do that?


Reason #1 is his bad rebounding. I fully expect a new starter at SF and the available SF upgrades will likely not rebound as well as Aminu. Reason #2 is he's terrible at defending the most run play in the league. He provides some decent offense, but between Anderson, Davis, and Smith the team isn't exactly lacking in points from the 4/5 spot. I wouldn't trade him willy nilly, but I'd think you could get a decent return for him.



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