What is the Libertarian position on abortion?
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re: What is the Libertarian position on abortion?
Posted by SlowFlowPro on 3/17 at 12:27 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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When does a human first acquire rights is the question at hand.

well in america, pretty much everywhere, they acquire rights at birth

the moral issue is when is this mass of cells a human being. that's where it's tricky

i believe that the different genetic code of the fetus makes it a separate being from the mother, which is why i find abortion immoral. however, viability becomes a big issue.

and while the fetus/child is the main focal point, i do not believe it is moral to force a woman who was raped to carry a child to term, for a number of reasons. this is the new logical catch for many who believe that a fetus is a person absolutely



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Posted by NC_Tigah on 3/17 at 12:29 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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but isn't that the core of the issue?
Yes and no.

We're all aware of double homicide charges in the case of pregnant mother murders. So obviously that argues in favor of fetal rights. However, some of those same jurisdictions would see no offense in late term abortion. Right?



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Posted by SlowFlowPro on 3/17 at 12:30 pm to NC_Tigah
on that note, and i almost posted about this earlier, i do think the law needs to be consistent among these 2 areas


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Posted by onmymedicalgrind on 3/17 at 12:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
Well for starters, people on both sides of the debate could be a little more clear with their words so as to not create confusion or ambiguity regarding their position. A zygote =/= a blastocyst =/= an embryo =/= a fetus.


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Posted by WildTchoupitoulas on 3/17 at 12:33 pm to NC_Tigah
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However, some of those same jurisdictions would see no offense in late term abortion. Right?


An argument for self-defense could be made in some cases of late term abortions.

If the mother dies in child birth, do we charge the fetus with homicide?



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Posted by SlowFlowPro on 3/17 at 12:33 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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A zygote =/= a blastocyst =/= an embryo =/= a fetus.


aren't all of these completely different, genetically, from the mother?



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Posted by onmymedicalgrind on 3/17 at 12:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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aren't all of these completely different, genetically, from the mother?


Yea I guess, so are alot of things. Not sure I get your point. I'm just saying its seems as if people use these terms interchangeably when they actually refer to distinct points in prenatal development. One could be for the "abortion" of a zygote or blastocyst, but against the abortion of a fetus.


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Posted by Grizzly on 3/17 at 12:36 pm to KosmoCramer
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Im pro choice for the rights of the child/embryo



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Posted by SlowFlowPro on 3/17 at 12:41 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Yea I guess, so are alot of things. Not sure I get your point.

well once that entity is created, it is separate from the mother. the moral implications deal with when that entity becomes a sentient human being of which we have to respect its life

you and i aren't exactly saying different things, but the issue is more art than science. short of birth, there will never be one accepted phase of development where we as a society go "human/not human"



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Posted by S.E.C. Crazy on 3/17 at 1:07 pm to Tiguar
well, I believe it is a human life but I recognize its a large grey area and a large part of my reasons for believing its a human life are religious in nature, and I don't think things like that should be regulated federally. I don't agree with abortion but I don't think my beliefs need to be enforced with federal law.
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So you dont think it should be regulated ?

You do know murder is a federal and state law right ? The regulation which allowed these 55 million murders was not brought forth through a constitutional amendment ,but was passed by a lying liberal supreme court through ":fiat" They told the lie ( and everyone knows its a lie ) that the framers of the constitution allowed for abortion by the " freedom of privacy laws " which is B.S.

Since its my hand do I have the right to use it to shoot you in the head ? No because your right to life supersedes my right to privacy with what I do with my hands...nonsensical argument.



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Posted by Springfield XD on 3/17 at 1:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I'm leaning Libertarian, and am against abortion but think it's a lost cause. If anything, state and locals should decide what they want to do on the issue.



Sadly true. Make it the decision of the States. And there's the misconception of Roe v Wade. repealing it would NOT make abortion illegal in the US. It would allow "dormant" State laws to rule. Many of which allow plenty of abortion.



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Posted by MrCarton on 3/17 at 2:35 pm to Decatur
I'm not necessarily a libertarian, but I value the liberty of the citizen over those of a fetus.


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Posted by joshnorris14 on 3/17 at 2:35 pm to Decatur
The "Libertarian" position is based on Walter Block's Evictionism Theory.


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Posted by Blue Velvet on 3/17 at 2:41 pm to LSUwag
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Libertarian
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LSUwag



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Posted by Springfield XD on 3/17 at 3:14 pm to MrCarton
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...I value the liberty of the citizen over those of a fetus.


Where do you put old people, sick people and the mentally retarded?



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Posted by onmymedicalgrind on 3/17 at 3:15 pm to Springfield XD
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old people, sick people and the mentally retarded


Are they not still citizens?



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Posted by Zed on 3/17 at 3:24 pm to joshnorris14
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Evictionism Theory
The women has a right to evict a viable fetus but not to kill it? Makes sense to me, and makes the case against late term abortion easier to make.



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Posted by Teddy Ruxpin on 3/17 at 4:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
You could argue double homicide of pregnant mothers and abortion now are consistent through a "property" lens. Ie you can't hit my car with a bat but i certainly can.

I don't subscribe to it, but some wouldn't have a logical break if they saw it this way.



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Posted by I B Freeman on 3/17 at 4:33 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
I am quite the libertarian and believe as many libertarians do-not a majority-- that liberty extends to the womb.

I would never want to be in the position of trying to determine just when something so essential and so important as liberty becomes "viable".

That said, like murder and theft and rape, abortion legality is a state issue.

I really can not understand how so many pro choice people vote on that issue alone.

I do believe that a state could require surgical contraception when required to pay for the birth of a baby. I think it would be a good idea if every time a baby is born on the state tab a tubal ligation is performed--preferable a reversible procedure.


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Posted by llfshoals on 3/17 at 4:36 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
If a woman wants to kill her unborn child, that's her prerogative.

HOWEVER...she needs to admit it IS her unborn child she's killing. Nothing more, nothing less.

If she can live with that, it's something she'll have to do.

Somehow I think it might be a little more difficult to kill your child when you understand that's exactly what you're doing, than some "nonviable tissue mass" to make it easier on the conscience.

Actions can, and always should have consequences.



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