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re: How badly will Jindal's Plan Hurt LSU?quote: but that's not the trend in other fields where colleges have subcontracted out support services to private enterprise or vendors. It's been happening in the healthcare provided at universities, personnel management, food services, bookstores, and other. And I don't think it's always worked out best for education generally, but it has saved money. Reply Back to Top |
quote: Nonsense. I've said before, more than once, that I don't trust government enough to invest all decision-making to them. I don't think government is always right. I don't think it's even often right. It's why I've never voted major party in a national election. What I'm fascinated by is your level of anger with something you don't know anything about. And not just about this topic. Your angry about the cost but have no idea how much it cost. Or how much it will make. Or how much private, for-profit enterprise drove the decision. I don't know that I've ever seen someone get so worked up over things they know nothing about. quote: just as one example. College courses typically use textbooks and the students still buy them. But B&N also sells through it's nook e-reader. And they have apparel. The bookstore gets pretty crowded on game days, for example. They'll have a restaurant. They'll be selling ipads and other non-book items suited for the digital age. quote: No. Which is why I'm not defending the bookstore. What I don't get is that you're full bore criticizing when you don't have them either. I have to have them, but you don't? Bizarre Reply Back to Top |
Posted by I B Freeman on 3/17 at 3:53 pm to KrushGroove quote: Go back and read it. It was a question. I don't know the facts at all. I know it was new construction and I know they are begging for money. IT IS RIGHT TO QUESTION IT so long as it is a public institution. You went straight to defending the government again on a spending project and never even addressed the point of the post. That point being if these schools were private the money would not be a public issue. The schools would be free to operate completely as they see fit and the SUNOs of the world that have been thus far politically impossible to close would die from lack of funding. The areas of the state with redundant educational overhead and academic offerings (ie Grambling, ULM and La Tech act) would correct themselves. LSU could build 100 bookstores if they are so profitable. This post was edited on 3/17 at 3:56 pm Reply Back to Top |
Posted by I B Freeman on 3/17 at 3:58 pm to KrushGroove quote: Link? quote: Link? quote: Link? Curious you should demand so much from other posters and make such a post with no back up. Reply Back to Top |
quote: wrong and now you're telling me that this wasn't meant to be critical: quote: you were just asking a question? Right. Privatize everything is your answer. Well, they are privatizing bookselling and other aspects of the school and that's not enough for you. You're a dedicated neo-liberal. I'll give you that. Reply Back to Top |
Posted by I B Freeman on 3/17 at 4:02 pm to KrushGroove quote: Does anyone besides the anal defender of government spending, government schools and things government think the above paragraph is about the wisdom of building a bookstore? Reply Back to Top |
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quote: just spend a few minutes reading up on university administration and spending articles and it outlines why these services are being outsourced and the degree to which it has been happening the last 30 years or so LINK LINK LINK just google "privatize university services" for more This post was edited on 3/17 at 4:13 pm Reply Back to Top |
Posted by I B Freeman on 3/17 at 4:13 pm to KrushGroove quote: Good keep that up from now on if you want it in my post. What about the other two? Reply Back to Top |
quote: Answers to all of them are included. In those links and a simple google search will demonstrate all the points I raised: 1. Contracting out to private firms has typically not led to increases for those services (which was the purpose in the first place - they aren't popular educationally but improve the bottom line, so they get approved). The initial point was that "academia" would gripe about how much it would cost the students. And that's not the case. 2. That it's been happening in many aspects of higher education. One of the first links in google describes Texas A&M's and UK's consideration of moving food services over to private firms. It's happened with parking. Security. And many other areas. It's all in the links, more services than I've listed here. 3. And, finally, that it has saved the university money. In many cases, you'll see that the savings has been quite considerable. The discussion is to what extent these savings do or don't balance out the potential risks. But all three points are factual. And examples of all can be found on those links and recommended search. This post was edited on 3/17 at 4:20 pm Reply Back to Top |
| IB, did you ever see the Stossel report regarding the bull shite in higher ed? Great episode that highlights how much waste and nonsense takes place in academia at taxpayers expense. BTW, let's cut Title IX and let's stop calling the athletic departments "non-profits." Reply Back to Top |
Posted by I B Freeman on 3/17 at 4:41 pm to los angeles tiger quote: I didn't see it but I would like too. You are correct about title 9 and the athletic departments. I read this just yesterday that is sort of along similar lines. I am posting it in full as it requires a subscription to the WSJ to read. Law Schools and Other Shameless Schemes JOE QUEENAN Wall Street Journal 3/15/2013 quote: Reply Back to Top |
| Privatizing State universities seems to be your pie in the sky answer every time the issue of the State's budget woes comes up. Be real: do you think that the politicians in this state will ever close a university, be it La. Tech, Grambling, SUNO, McNeese, UNO, etc? So quit proposing privatization/closing of universities as your answer. It will never happen. I'm not saying your theory is right or wrong. But I am saying you need to come up with a real, practical solution. And I trust Jindal's budget proposals about as far as I could throw him out the State. Reply Back to Top |
Posted by I B Freeman on 3/17 at 6:06 pm to Keltic Tiger quote: I don't think now it is politically possible to close them so I prefer they go private and compete for a very well financed pool of potential customers. I am being real BTW. In South Carolina then Governor Mark Sanford gave the University of South Carolina the option of going private or taking severe cuts in their budget and remaining a state university. They took the option to remain public with a huge cut in their subsidy. They also got autonomy in raising their tuition and did and have as many or more students than ever before and rank much higher in many areas than LSU. I betcha if they had the option of going completely private and their customers being subsidized they would have taken that. quote: Soon the state universities-say 20 years--will have such a hard time competing with online degrees tax payers will be wondering why we have not closed several of them. Do it now orderly or do latter abruptly. Reply Back to Top |
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Posted by I B Freeman on 3/17 at 6:13 pm to onmymedicalgrind quote: I don't understand how anyone who has witnessed the change in how information is exchanged over the last 30 years can deny that higher education will more and more be online based. Online education certainly got a big publicity boost when Johnny Football announced all of his classes this semester are online at Texas A&M. LINK This post was edited on 3/17 at 6:14 pm Reply Back to Top |
quote: JFF?!? Oh my, I guess that settles it then! Reply Back to Top |
Posted by I B Freeman on 3/17 at 6:30 pm to onmymedicalgrind quote: Let's see who gets more press Heisman trophy winner Manziel and his online classes or shortsighted onmymedicalgrind posts on tiger droppings about education never going online? I can hear a 1000 18 year old girls in small towns all over telling their boyfriends how they can stay home and get educated instead going off to that big ole school--or vice versa of course. Parents encouraging kids to stay home instead of paying for living in another city ect. Why is it so hard for you to see the economic advantages of online classes? This post was edited on 3/17 at 6:31 pm Reply Back to Top |
quote: Short-term? Of course online classes have economic advantages, I've never denied that. Good luck competing for jobs against people who have degrees from accredited, well-respected, prestigious institutions, though. Reply Back to Top |
Posted by I B Freeman on 3/17 at 7:02 pm to onmymedicalgrind quote: Would not surprise me at all if large employers operated online schools and REQUIRED employees to complete degrees or something similar enrolled in their schools. You can dream up all kinds of scenarios you think will stop online education but you are simply in denial. I bet you half the degrees awarded today at LSU could be taught online with only a minimum of campus time involved. Reply Back to Top Refresh |
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