How badly will Jindal's Plan Hurt LSU?
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How badly will Jindal's Plan Hurt LSU?
Posted by cosmicdingo on 3/17 at 1:15 am
Concern seems real:LINK


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Posted by onmymedicalgrind on 3/17 at 1:35 am to cosmicdingo
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Louisiana is underfunding its higher education system to the point that top-flight academic talent is leaving or avoiding the state


....and they're not coming back, too. I detest Jindal.



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Posted by Colonel Flagg on 3/17 at 1:39 am to cosmicdingo
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“The decisions being made send a troubling message that this governor doesn’t see higher ed as a priority,”


Stupid comment. I am sure a guy who went to Baton Rouge High, Brown University, and Oxford University doesn't understand the importance of higher education. That is what I assume the guy was trying to imply with that comment.

1. We have a ton of waste as we have a small population and too many 4 year universities IMO.

2. If a school loses funding let them raise tuition. I don't feel the tuition is really high in comparison to other schools in the region.

3. Are we wasting money with TOPS when the requirements are so low. I wonder how much money never led to a degree. I also wonder what degrees were awarded and where those degrees were earned.


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Posted by vodkacop on 3/17 at 1:44 am to Colonel Flagg
I knew some tops recipients and they all used most of their money on weed or drinking. Tops definitely needs to be curtailed.


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Posted by 20MuleTeam on 3/17 at 8:32 am to cosmicdingo
God he's such an idiot,Jindal that is


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Posted by saderade on 3/17 at 8:58 am to vodkacop
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I knew some tops recipients and they all used most of their money on weed or drinking. Tops definitely needs to be curtailed.

Umm they don't give you a check. It goes straight to the school to pay for tuition and all the fees. I had the highest award with the stipend and it didnt cover everything. The problem with TOPS is it's too easy to attain and tons of people drop out after getting the money. It should become a loan if you don't graduate in 6 years.



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Posted by eelsuee on 3/17 at 9:16 am to cosmicdingo
You get to see people's inner liberal come out on threads like this, some of which probably claim to be "fiscally conservative". They want to cut government spending until it is something they like on the line.

I have always felt that students (the ones receiving the service) should be more responsible for the cost of their education. I have two degrees from LSU and even when I was a student, I thought the tax payers subsidizing my education was wrong.


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Posted by Radiojones on 3/17 at 9:25 am to 20MuleTeam
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God he's such an idiot,Jindal that is


Irony, your name is 20MuleTeam.



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Posted by redandright on 3/17 at 9:50 am to saderade
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Umm they don't give you a check. It goes straight to the school to pay for tuition and all the fees. I had the highest award with the stipend and it didnt cover everything.


Yes, but if you also receive other scholarships, or have a START account-which is a personal tax free State sponsored college savings account, TOPS money is used to subsidize other campus activities.

The Advocate is a one note Samba when it comes to Jindal. Everyday there is at least 1 negative front page article about him. Today there are 2.
Their bias would be pathetic if it weren't so obvious that they are determined to destroy him politically.

Though I voted for Jindal, I'm not blindly loyal to him, and he's certainly far from my first choice for president.

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The problem with TOPS is it's too easy to attain and tons of people drop out after getting the money. It should become a loan if you don't graduate in 6 years.


This+. As a matter of fact that's really a great suggestion for some legislation. Way too many people play around with TOPS. If they knew they were on the hook for it, if they flunk out, or don't attain a degree w/in max 5 years, then they owe.


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Posted by EST on 3/17 at 10:34 am to cosmicdingo
C'mon guys - not again - the budget has to be balanced AND the state constitution (thank you, Mr.Edwards)basically requires that higher ed and healthcare be cut since most other funding is protected.

This has been going on since the 1970's.



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Posted by dewster on 3/17 at 10:44 am to Colonel Flagg
IMO, if you earn TOPS but leave the state for employment after graduation or if you drop out, you should have to pay some of it back.

And TOPS should only be distributed to the most competitive students. LSU's admission standards are higher than TOPS.

The top schools in the state should be free to raise tuition to within 10% of the regional average without legislative approval.

Small state and too many colleges....and Jindal wasn't the one fighting to keep SUNO open. That was the other party.


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Posted by The Goon on 3/17 at 11:14 am to dewster
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IMO, if you earn TOPS but leave the state for employment after graduation or if you drop out, you should have to pay some of it back.


This is bull shite. I received TOPS and graduated with an engineering degree. I looked for work for nine months and couldn't find anything I wanted long term. I started applying to jobs in Houston and was hired within 6 weeks in the oil field services. You think I should pay back a scholarship because I couldn't find the work I wanted a career in?

Increase the requirements to receive a full scholarship and allow for partial tuition scholarships. LA needs to advertise START more and other tax deductible savings plans for education.



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Posted by JabarkusRussell on 3/17 at 1:54 pm to redandright
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The Advocate is a one note Samba when it comes to Jindal.


I started reading the advocate bc the Times lost my business and this is 100% true. And I thought the Times was liberal.



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Posted by Srbtiger06 on 3/17 at 2:37 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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....and they're not coming back, too. I detest Jindal.


Because they were staying in-state to begin with?



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Posted by I B Freeman on 3/17 at 2:48 pm to Srbtiger06
We should take our universities private and let them fund themselves. Presently tuition covers less than half the expenses to operate these institutions. We should take that 50% of the higher budget and give it out in vouchers that the students use--not direct to the school so the schools will have to compete.

Politically we will never reduce the over investment we have in schools (did LSU really need to spend a pile of money building a new bookstore???). The only way to bring the investment down is through competition. Let em go private and let them charge whatever they want in tuition and I bet we would graduate more students with less tax payer money involved.

Does anyone think we need a La Tech, ULM and Grambling in the NE part of the state? Southern, LSU, BRCC in Baton Rouge?



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Posted by KrushGroove on 3/17 at 3:17 pm to I B Freeman
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did LSU really need to spend a pile of money building a new bookstore???


How much did it cost? How much of it came from taxpayers? How much did B&N contribute to it? How much will the university make from the partnership with B&N and how does that compare with the constructions costs that were borne by the taxpayers?



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Posted by I B Freeman on 3/17 at 3:21 pm to KrushGroove
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How much did B&N contribute to it? How much will the university make from the partnership with B&N and how does that compare with the constructions costs that were borne by the taxpayers?



Why would B&N pay any more to LSU for the new space than they were already spending?

I ask why LSU spent it. You tell me. Did B&N contribute some or more than than already do?

If you want to challenge the spending you should have some facts and not just some questions.



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Posted by KrushGroove on 3/17 at 3:23 pm to I B Freeman
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If you want to challenge the spending you should have some facts


exactly. You're challenging the spending.

that's why I am asking you.

You're the one asking the question about the expense when you don't know how much LSU actually spent on it or what B&N spent on it. What if it ends up generating revenue for the university that is greater than whatever the taxpayers put into it. What's the expected increase in the money the store makes from having more space and being able to sell more items (Apple products, restaurant space, for example)

Do you have facts?


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Posted by los angeles tiger on 3/17 at 3:33 pm to KrushGroove
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You're the one asking the question about the expense when you don't know how much LSU actually spent on it or what B&N spent on it. What if it ends up generating revenue for the university that is greater than whatever the taxpayers put into it.


It won't because if it did then academia couldn't protests about their "hardships" of cuts that hurt the "poor" students.



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Posted by I B Freeman on 3/17 at 3:40 pm to KrushGroove
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exactly. You're challenging the spending.

that's why I am asking you.

You're the one asking the question about the expense when you don't know how much LSU actually spent on it or what B&N spent on it. What if it ends up generating revenue for the university that is greater than whatever the taxpayers put into it. What's the expected increase in the money the store makes from having more space and being able to sell more items (Apple products, restaurant space, for example)

Do you have facts?


Why would I ever question the spending of LSU if it was private?? I would not care. I would not ask why LSU built a new book store when the use of books is going down. I would not care.

I gave the book store question as example of spending falling under the scrutiny of politicians now and you want to challenge that such questions should even be asked. Your first inclination is always that government is right.

Politically they can't tell these schools no because they all start hollering about how we are ruining our future by threatening their kingdoms.

Do you have the facts?? Should taxpayers be concerned or not that LSU built a new bookstore while lobbying for more money?


Do you need to spend weeks and weeks of research to decide the SUNO is a waste of taxpayer money? Can you not just look and see how stupid some things are?




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