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re: " I don't care what anyone does as long as it doesn't affect me"
Posted by cwill on 3/17 at 1:34 pm to DawgfaninCa
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quote: is it moral to kill an "evil man" before he kills an innocent? Yes. quote: If you saw a man beating a child to death would it be murder if the only way to stop him and save the child was to kill him? No. The correct interpretation of the sixth commandment is "Thou shalt not murder" not "Thou shalt not kill".


So, considering what abortion doctors do and will continue to do why isn't killing them in your repertoire when in comes to living by your moral beliefs? The doctor is murdering a child right?



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Posted by cwill on 3/17 at 1:36 pm to DawgfaninCa
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The water is quite clear. Why do you keep trying to muddy it up? Is it so you can throw the baby out with the bathwater and no one will notice that's what you are doing?


The water is being muddied only by those that dance around calling abortion murder...it's when the rubber hits the road that suddenly it's time to e one dodgy.



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Posted by DawgfaninCa on 3/17 at 1:47 pm to cwill
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The water is being muddied only by those that dance around calling abortion murder...it's when the rubber hits the road that suddenly it's time to e one dodgy.


Do you consider what is alive inside the body of a female just a part of the female's body?

If so, then explain to me how something that is just a part of a female's body can be a "male" fetus?




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Posted by DawgfaninCa on 3/17 at 1:57 pm to cwill
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So, considering what abortion doctors do and will continue to do why isn't killing them in your repertoire when in comes to living by your moral beliefs? The doctor is murdering a child right?


Just like in any war, soldiers have to make the decision regarding what battles to fight and what battles not to fight so that in the long run the soldiers can have the most impact in helping to win the war.

Killing the abortion doctor might be justified by one's moral beliefs but in the long run it is better to be able to fight the war in other ways rather than kill one abortion doctor and spend the rest of your life sitting in jail where you can't do anything to win the war.







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Posted by DawgfaninCa on 3/17 at 1:59 pm to cwill
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Bazinga! Another value adding commenter.


I'm looking for the value of this comment.

Sorry, but I can't see any except that this is the pot calling the kettle black.





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Posted by cwill on 3/17 at 2:38 pm to DawgfaninCa
Damn, I forgot you were the trolling moron. I'm out


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Posted by asurob1 on 3/17 at 3:30 pm to cwill
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Damn, I forgot you were the trolling moron. I'm out


tis why i just ignore him. Biggest troll on the site.



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Posted by DawgfaninCa on 3/17 at 4:21 pm to asurob1
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Damn, I forgot you were the trolling moron. I'm out


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tis why i just ignore him. Biggest troll on the site.


Translate...cwill and I are getting our butts kicked by DawgfaninCa so we'll call him a troll.


#winning






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Posted by Sentrius on 3/17 at 4:40 pm to asurob1
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tis why i just ignore him. Biggest troll on the site.


Your hands aren't clean in this either. There are a few times where I've seen you trolling.

I consider DawgfaninCa a meaner version of CTF with the bite that can actually bite. You just can't handle that apparently.

" No wait.



Really..."

FWIW, I don't agree with DawgfaninCa's opnions on gay marriage and I know they're wrong. I agree with him a little with abortion. I only support it in cases of rape, incest and life of the mother.



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Posted by DawgfaninCa on 3/17 at 5:16 pm to Sentrius
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I consider DawgfaninCa a meaner version of CTF with the bite that can actually bite. You just can't handle that apparently.


They just can't handle a real debate on any issue.

I ask a few simple questions and they always go running home to their mommas with their ball yelling, "Momma, momma, a mean old troll is bothering me".


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FWIW, I don't agree with DawgfaninCa's opnions on gay marriage and I know they're wrong.


As you know, it's not "gay" marriage. It's "same sex" marriage. There is a difference.

You have the right to disagree with me about "same sex" marriage and you have the right to "know" I am wrong but neither you nor anyone else on this site has provided any evidence that proves I am wrong.

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I agree with him a little with abortion. I only support it in cases of rape, incest and life of the mother.


When I was a young man I was very liberal and I supported abortion because I thought the father and the mother had the right to decide together whether or not they could afford to have a child. If they both decided that they couldn't afford to have the child at that time then I supported their right to have an abortion.

However, after abortion became legal, women decided that even if the father wanted the child because he was able to afford to take care of his child, the father had no choice in the matter and if the mother wanted an abortion then she had an abortion.

As I got older, I evolved and supported abortions only in the case of rape, incest and the life of the mother.

Now that I have gotten older, I have evolved even more and now I support abortions only in the case where the life of the mother is in danger if she gives birth.

In all other cases, the innocent child should be allowed to live and can be given up for adoption.




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Posted by Sentrius on 3/17 at 5:43 pm to DawgfaninCa
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As you know, it's not "gay" marriage. It's "same sex" marriage. There is a difference.


Understood.

We're just used to gay marriage being the name for it.

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You have the right to disagree with me about "same sex" marriage and you have the right to "know" I am wrong but neither you nor anyone else on this site has provided any evidence that proves I am wrong.


And I won't bother trying to prove you wrong. Part of the nature of the beast called the poliboard is that minds are rarely changed after reading what's been posted on here.

Personally, I find homosexuality disgusting, unnatural, and a degradation of society but I support same sex marriage because it's all about liberty with me and we have no right to tell two people they cannot be together provided they are consenting and adults. Just IMO.

FWIW, one thing I would support other than same sex marriage is getting the gov't out of marriage and leave the marrying up to the churches.

One argument I see against same sex marriage is that there a lot of people including me scared shitless of making homosexuality a protected class. That worries me because it has the potential to be abused.

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When I was a young man I was very liberal and I supported abortion because I thought the father and the mother had the right to decide together whether or not they could afford to have a child. If they both decided that they couldn't afford to have the child at that time then I supported their right to have an abortion.

However, after abortion became legal, women decided that even if the father wanted the child because he was able to afford to take care of his child, the father had no choice in the matter and if the mother wanted an abortion then she had an abortion.

As I got older, I evolved and supported abortions only in the case of rape, incest and the life of the mother.

Now that I have gotten older, I have evolved even more and now I support abortions only in the case where the life of the mother is in danger if she gives birth.

In all other cases, the innocent child should be allowed to live and can be given up for adoption.



I appreciate the anecdotes.

Who knows, I might only support if mother's life is in danger one day.



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Posted by DawgfaninCa on 3/17 at 6:38 pm to Sentrius
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Personally, I find homosexuality disgusting, unnatural, and a degradation of society but I support same sex marriage because it's all about liberty with me and we have no right to tell two people they cannot be together provided they are consenting and adults. Just IMO.


Two homosexuals of the same sex have the right to "be together". They have the right to live with each other. I just am opposed to them being allowed to marry each other.

IMO, marriage is exclusively for two people of the opposite sex and the definition of marriage should not be changed to include that which was meant to be excluded.

Being a supporter of Liberty does not mean you can't support some forms of justifiable discrimination.








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Posted by LockdownDefense on 3/18 at 7:57 am to DawgfaninCa
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Do you consider what is alive inside the body of a female just a part of the female's body?


Lulz.

weak and obvious play on words is weak and obvious

alive doesnt constitute "a life" as in "an individual"


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Posted by tide06 on 3/18 at 8:02 am to Drew Orleans
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If it's that weird they will die off (if the government doesn't keep proping them up) and natural selection will take care of it.


Exactly. When your bad decisions splatter on other people directly or financially it becomes a problem so the incentives for bad behavior have to be removed first.



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Posted by SidewalkDawg on 3/18 at 9:47 am to DawgfaninCa
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IMO, marriage is exclusively for two people of the opposite sex and the definition of marriage should not be changed to include that which was meant to be excluded.


I'm genuinely curious if you would approve of such a thing if we never called it "Marriage" and simply referred to it as a "Civil Union". This civil union would be a contract between two people to stay loyal and would provide the same tax, legal, and health benefits given by the government to normal marriages.

If you do not agree with this, why does this offend your sensibilities as a person who is against same-sex marriage (Union)?



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Posted by DawgfaninCa on 3/18 at 10:38 am to SidewalkDawg
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I'm genuinely curious if you would approve of such a thing if we never called it "Marriage" and simply referred to it as a "Civil Union". This civil union would be a contract between two people to stay loyal and would provide the same tax, legal, and health benefits given by the government to normal marriages.


I'm not interested in answering hypothetical questions about a fantasy world where the term "marriage" doesn't exist.

I want to discuss what's happening in the real world.

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If you do not agree with this, why does this offend your sensibilities as a person who is against same-sex marriage (Union)?



I have evolved and now I am opposed to same sex civil unions for the same reasons I am opposed to same sex marriage.




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Posted by DawgfaninCa on 3/18 at 11:01 am to LockdownDefense
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Do you consider what is alive inside the body of a female just a part of the female's body?


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Lulz. weak and obvious play on words is weak and obvious alive doesnt constitute "a life" as in "an individual"


I asked the question exactly the way I wanted to ask it.

There is no doubt that the fetus is "alive" while in the body of its mother regardless of whether or not it is considered "a life" or "an individual" because it hasn't been born yet.

Answer that question and then answer my other question which is if you think it is a part of a woman's body then how can a male fetus be part of a female's body?

If your answer can convince me that a male fetus is part of a female's body then I will be in favor of a woman's "right" to have an abortion.





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Posted by Revelator on 3/18 at 11:07 am to DawgfaninCa

I appears that the things that happen in our country, even though we might try to ignore them, do affect us.



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Posted by DawgfaninCa on 3/18 at 11:32 am to Revelator
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I appears that the things that happen in our country, even though we might try to ignore them, do affect us.


It also appears that even though some people on this board might try to ignore answering certain questions, their silence answers the questions anyway.




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Posted by SidewalkDawg on 3/18 at 11:44 am to DawgfaninCa
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I'm not interested in answering hypothetical questions about a fantasy world where the term "marriage" doesn't exist. I want to discuss what's happening in the real world.


So, in a nutshell. You are FOR same sex couples being allowed to live together etc. but you are against them taking advantage of the same government benefits that are afforded traditional marriage, despite the fact that in a civil union, religion is not called upon to sanctify it?

edit: For the record, i'm not suggesting the term "Marriage" not exist, i'm suggesting that Marriage exists for the religous and can be defined as it suits their own beleif (man/woman only). Whereas we can define a Civil Union as something totally seperate from Marriage, but that still warrants the same benefits that is afforded to marriage from the government.


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