OT Fitness Gurus; Swimming Vs. Running?
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re: OT Fitness Gurus; Swimming Vs. Running?
Posted by TigerDik86 on 2/27 at 12:13 pm to dreww221
Rowing... Rowing is where it's at. Works the whole body burns mega calories.

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Posted by FootballNostradamus on 2/27 at 12:15 pm to NorthEnd
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Burning calories is mostly a function of heart rate. Average heart rate while RUNNING is as high as any activity. Trust me, I've worn my heart rate monitor throughout training for many, many half ironman as well as full ironman races. I have the data saved from the last Ironman in Arizona. Avg heart rate on the swim is 130ish, low 100s on the bike and 135-155 on the run.


Heart rate is a factor of burning calories but so is energy expediture. It's absolutely more difficult to swim than it is to run due to the water resistance.

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I don't think you'll find anybody who's done an ironman that tells you that the swim is more difficult than the run, bc it isn't. Running a marathon, especially after all swimming and biking is far more challenging than swimming for 1-1/2 hours.


You just answered why it is perceived to be more difficult. Again I've done many a triathalon. I've never done an Ironman, but I know running always "seems" to be the most difficult, but it's not.

If you took a thousand people off the street who weren't training for either and had them attempt the swim of the Ironman and then a week later had them try the run of the Ironman I'd bet any amount of money more people could finish the run portion.



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Posted by NorthEnd on 2/27 at 12:18 pm to FootballNostradamus
Take me as an example. On any given day tell me to choose to either swim 2.4 or run 26.2, and I'll swim everytime. Done in an hour+ vs. 4+hrs!! A marathon is a MFer.


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Posted by usc6158 on 2/27 at 12:23 pm to FootballNostradamus
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This is your opinion, but most would disagree with this statement entirely.

Lol, no offense but this is one of the most incorrect statements of all-time. Swimming burns exponentially more calories per minute than running. Exercising in a primarily anaerobic environment is significantly more beneficial to your respiratory system. Factor in the fact that swimming also incorporates a resistance and strength training aspect into the workout, and it's substantially more beneficial than running.



Everything you said here is incorrect.

Having done multiple Ironmans and countless triathlons, your caloric output per hour during the run is far greater than during the swim.

During an Ironman swim, you burn about 1000 calories. That's compared to about 4 or 5K on the bike and 3K on the run.

Now, swimming for an hour straight is more difficult than running an hour straight, but that's largely due to muscular fatigue rather than caloric output

You may end up losing more fat weight swimming than running because you're also building fat free mass.



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Posted by Burlee on 2/27 at 12:39 pm to FootballNostradamus
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If you put the swim after the run and the bike half the field would drown. Why do you think it's first


you answered your own question - they put the swim first because they don't want 3,000 tired athletes at the end of a 5 or 11 hour race drowning in the water. If you're tired and you're running, you just walk/run. THAT'S why the swim is first.



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Posted by LSUfan4444 on 2/27 at 12:41 pm to dreww221
FWIW - There are a lot of people who know nothing about swimming throwing advice in this thread.


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Posted by Burlee on 2/27 at 12:43 pm to FootballNostradamus
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If you took a thousand people off the street who weren't training for either and had them attempt the swim of the Ironman and then a week later had them try the run of the Ironman I'd bet any amount of money more people could finish the run portion.


I'm not sure whether you're right on this or not, but the, if the swim were harder, it would likely be because most people don't have anywhere close to the right swimming form - not because it's harder to swim 2.4 than to run 26.2 (which it is not).



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Posted by Casty McBoozer on 2/27 at 12:45 pm to dreww221
It's probably better for you overall than running is, but the problem is I can't just walk out the front of my house and go for a nice long swim.


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Posted by Burlee on 2/27 at 12:45 pm to LSUfan4444
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LSUfan4444
- I'm fixin' to register for IMNola. Trying to hammer out some scheduling/lodging details first, but the fee goes up again tomorrow night, so I'm trying to get this done ASAP.



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Posted by pooponsaban on 2/27 at 12:45 pm to usc6158
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Swimming burns exponentially more calories per minute than running.


Yep. That isn't true.

And no reason for this to be a pissing match. Serious swimming, with real workout sets, is ridiculously good for you. Serious running is also great for you.

I would say the percentage of serious swimmers that are ghey is much higher than the percentage of serious runners. And THAT is what matters.



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Posted by LSUfan4444 on 2/27 at 12:46 pm to Burlee
Yep - I need to register for Gulf Coast. I am going to be in Orange Beach for a wedding for IMNOLA




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Posted by LSUfan4444 on 2/27 at 12:48 pm to Burlee
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If you took a thousand people off the street who weren't training for either and had them attempt the swim of the Ironman and then a week later had them try the run of the Ironman I'd bet any amount of money more people could finish the run portion.


There is obviously no way to prove this, but a week will do nothing in terms of preparing for a run but would do a bunch for the swim.

For the swim, all you need is the basics and you can be taught to survive the water in a week. For the run, a week does nothing whatsoever.

That doesn't prove anything though.



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Posted by Burlee on 2/27 at 12:49 pm to LSUfan4444
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Gulf Coast


thought about doing this, but (a) it's on mother's day and (b) it's the week before Memphis in May Oly and it's a tradition for a ton of us to do that race. I don't want to race it 5 days after racing 70.3.



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Posted by usc6158 on 2/27 at 12:50 pm to Burlee
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I'm fixin' to register for IMNola


Then why are you posting in a thread about swimming



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Posted by lurkr on 2/27 at 12:53 pm to dreww221
Swimming > Running, and it's not close.


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Posted by LSUfan4444 on 2/27 at 12:55 pm to LSUfan4444
Alot of the "more difficult" talk even in terms of the same time frame is hard to compare.

You need to be more specific. Try comparing critical power (CP) or Lactate Threshold (this is the highest number you can do for 1 hour). Over that time frame during both events, you will burn more calories running (in most environments), BUT does that mean it is harder or better for you? Depends on what your goal is.

Swimming will result in a lower heart rate largely due to cooler conditions with cool water, but if your critical power is say a 7 min pace for the run, BUT you can swim 1:30/100 at the same effort level, you can actually swim your endurance pace much closer to your (CP) as compared to the run.

Your endurance pace will be 75% of your CP for the run and your swim endurance pace would be 94% of your CP (all approx).

So, you're not really comparing apples to apples. It's not really apples to oranges or Apples to Monkeys either.


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Posted by LSUfan4444 on 2/27 at 1:00 pm to dreww221
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I recently sustained a knee injury, and can't do any running on it. My question is, how does swimming compare to running or other cardio training for weight loss?



To answer this exact question, it is harder to lose weight swimming than running for a multitude of reasons.

If you want to try and maximize caloric burning while in the pool, wear a swim cap and maybe a swim shirt (you want to try and be as warm as possible) to try and raise your heart rate. Also, try and mix in some high tempo intervals on a certain split.

Say, try doing 50 yards every minute for 20 minutes (following a warm up of course). I have no clue of your swimming ability so you'll have to play with these numbers, but shoot for something that gives you about 15 seconds rest. Certainly not a sprint, but labored breathing when you surface.

Also, try and eat something before you go into the pool to curb your hunger and as soon as you get out get in the shower under hot water to raise your core temperature. If you have access to a hot tub or steam room, use it. Drink some protein as well.



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Posted by LSUfan4444 on 2/27 at 1:02 pm to Burlee
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I don't want to race it 5 days after racing 70.3.


I hear ya...I wanted to do a race the week after Gulf Coast, but we have Crawfishman the week before Gulf Coast and it would put me racing three times in like 20 days.



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Posted by LoveThatMoney on 2/27 at 1:02 pm to FootballNostradamus
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Only because running is the last event. If you put the swim after the run and the bike half the field would drown. Why do you think it's first?


It's not even really that. He's comparing running 26.2 miles to swimming 2.4 miles. If you do anything ten times more than something else, I'm pretty sure you'll feel the effects of it.



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Posted by LSUfan4444 on 2/27 at 1:04 pm to dreww221
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dreww221


Also, look into pool jogging and you can check this website to see if there is an Anti Gravity Treadmill in your area ( LINK).

If your knee is okay to kick in the pool, the Alter G would be okay, but no PT would let you use it unless they agreed.



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